REALLY Bad Accident Haverford, PA 10/16/07
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We don't know what happened, but neighbors heard this was a pedestrian related accident on Lancaster Avenue near Wendy's construction site and Roache and O'Brien's in Haverford. A lot of us were seated comfortably at our dinner tables, helping our children with homework, or watching T.V. when the telltale sounds of sirens and the loud whirring and whump, whump, whumping of helicopters could be heard earlier this evening. That is a sound we hear far too often in our neighborhood...we are so close to Lancaster Avenue.... If this is true,that this is a pedestrian accident, this is a horrible end result of what can only be described as a frequent jaywalking spot, and has been for years. We don't know what can be done with this location, and honestly, right there it is close to that border between Haverford and Lower Merion Townships. If this is true and it is a jaywalking related accident, we pray everyone is ok and that people would come to their senses and NOT jaywalk. After all, it does not matter what or how many traffic calming measures and pedestrian safety features are enacted on our streets if people jaywalk. Neighbors report that Lower Merion Police had a significant response to this accident scene and had it well under control immediately. Please, don't jaywalk.... UPDATE- NBC10 was also on the scene of this accident and this is what they had to say:
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What could be worse when some one is hit by a car...when the person in the vehicle does not stop! Terrible!!! What are we becoming?
www.nbc10.com/news/14356189/detail.html?dl=headlineclick
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permalinkthat is a frequent jaywalking spot - in front of Roache and O'Briens and the "clubhouse" for AA and across from Wendy's and TD BankNorth. It is dark and people cross there all of the time.
hopefully the driver will turn themselves in. there were like 8 or 9 police cars. the traffic is awful, but the jaywalking isn't right either.
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permalinkUPDATE on Hit and Run:
6ABC WPVI: Police Search for Main Line Hit and Run Driver
Poor woman. Poor poor woman...people do fly through that stretch at an alarming rate of speed...still...she shouldn't have been jaywalking...
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permalinkJust to follow up on this, I have a question.
I do understand that the women was crossing the street not near any cross walks - that she was j-walking. However, if I'm thinking of that stretch correctly, to cross legally doesn't a pedestrian have to walk a significant distance to a cross-walk? If it is known that folks really driving fast there and pedestrians are attempting to cross, would this be a place where a cross-walk is needed?
I'm trying to frame this in the context of creating communities that are walkable and our community is failing in this regard. I can point to another example, the stretch of road from Church Rd to Wynnewood Rd - another stretch where people who work on the north side of the road cut across to frequent the businesses on the South side - another stretch were people go way to fast and that is dangerous to pedestrians attempting to cross. Yes, they are j-walking. However, is it reasonable to expect someone attempting to cross at the mid-point, to walk almost a mile(one way) to use the legel cross-walks to get some lunch?
If we are going to promote livable walking communities I think we have to provide pedestrians with reasonable access to sidewalks and cross-walks. Otherwise, we are just reinforcing vehicle use and the mentality that pedestrians and bikers have no business on the roads.
Humbly, I'm interested on others opinions of this.
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permalinkthis location has it's closest light at Penn Street and Lancaster Ave. It's a longish block, but not THAT long. hardly a mile. The walk to the other light is longer - that is at Booth Lane and Lancaster.
The road right there where the accident happened is a weird straightaway - but because there is a rise on the road, it is NOT an ideal spot for a midway cross walk - no one goes 25 MPH or pays attention when the school crossing lights are in effect - they certainly wouldn't stop for pedestrian crossing mid way.
What might help break it up is what neighbors asked for before: an additional traffic signal at North Buck/Buck and Lancaster .
If you are out and about, go drive around yourself and check it out. If you want a good perspective, stand on the sidewalk outside of Roache and O'Briens.
You are from Haverford Township, correct? maybe because there is so much joint custody along this particular part of Lancaster, you could get Haverford Township interested in road improvements from Roache's all the way into Bryn Mawr where Old Lancaster Picks up again? After all, a lot of our problems stem from what Haverford Township pays very little attention to: their parts of Lancaster Avenue Corridor that run in between Haverford and Bryn Mawr.
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permalinkYes, that is a good point about the joint custody between townships/counties. Does anyone know where the boundary starts in Haverford and how far up Lancaster it goes? What I know of it is roughly Haverford up to and past Bryn Mawr.
"After all, a lot of our problems stem from what Haverford Township pays very little attention to: their parts of Lancaster Avenue Corridor that run in between Haverford and Bryn Mawr."
-I do realize what your saying, but problems exist on both sides. It is nothing new that wherever counties and townships adjoin, especially in business corridors that each side uses the other as an excus for why improvements are not made. Take County Line Rd. for an example. Sections of this road are blighted on the Lower Merion side (similar to wat was described in the Ardmore Blight post here) and have been for over a decade. The neighbors along the Delco. side say the same thing, "the problem stems from Lower Merion Township's lack of attention here."
I don't want to get off track but my thinking has always been to get both sides to the table. As a resident of Ardmore, one block off County Line Rd. in Delco. it matters not in the least to me which side is which along Lancaster Ave. As a resident I'd like to see the problems we face in Ardmore or any town dealt with - and in cases where borders are shared extra effort should be made, by all, to bring our commissioners, planners, police, businesses and residents together in a room to figure out, for the good of the town, a plan of action.
County and township lines are nothing more than political boundaries that, in Ardmore, have effectively divided the town. Very sad...
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permalinkDo you want to hear how it took neighbors FOREVER to get Haverford Township to get someone to look at the pedestrian crossing signal at Penn Street and Lancaster Ave? It wasn't until some neighbors met Andy Lewis the commissioner in HT that anything got done....and in the end, it was a friggin' light bulb that needed changing.
And as for other things, let's take the basics like snow removal, HT does a stinky job. Lower Merion ends up picking up the pieces. The boundaries start around Old Buck somewhere - Wilke Lexus (old Al E Gators) is Haverford Twp. Across Lancaster, the old Pizzi Garage, now Wilke's repair garage is Haverford Township. On Lancaster the Haverford Township stretches up on both sides to Old Lancaster Road and Lancaster, or where Rite Aid/Eckerd is on one side and the Pizza place on the other (BM PIzza)....it may or may not go a little bit farther - we aren't sure. On that turn on Old Lancaster, one side seems to be Haverford Twp for a while, and one side Lower Merion. Behind the Acme (which is Haverford Twp), San Marino is partially in Haverford Township. Part of the Our Mother of Good Counsel property is Haverford Township, which is why there was issue over bingo many moons ago - small games of chance weren't allowed in Lower Merion, but were in Haverford Township.
It is not as simple as mere political boundaries, you don't live right here, ok? When Lower Merion residents call about an issue on the boundary we NEVER get a response back unless we also ask our own township. If we call Haverford Twp even about something as benign as a pothole or an accumulation of trash around where FoodSource is also using the old gas station for storage, we get the "where you live isn't in Haverford Twp" response.
Haverford Township, for example, ignored everyone's concerns about building that Eckerd Drug now Rite Aid so close to the curb and Food Source tight on top of residential. And some of the concerns on that came from Lower Merion RESIDENTS also affected. So as a result, we look at a concrete bunker perched on Lancaster Ave (not that Lower Merion is much better - look at Blockbuster in Ardmore at the edge of the ever unattractive Ardmore West Shopping Center).
The joke about living on the border is that except for when they wish to bust underage cigarette sales at the Acme, or are being paid extra during the holidays to park in front of FoodSource with their lights on, you never see much of Haverford Twp Police. As a matter of fact, neighbors who can think back to when the now defunct Bryn Maw Pub wasn't Marita's, but Spada's the boob bar will tell you that even back THEN when the bars caused issue, Lower Merion was always the one that paid more attention, because even then, Haverford Twp treated this boundary like an outpost.
For example, those bars. There is NO parking, there is NO municipal lot. Why keep approving businesses that need great swaths of parking? Why didn't Haverford Twp get smart years ago when the gas station that was in between the old Silo/Storehouse and the Old Bryn Mawr Pub/Maritas closed and the land went up for sale? Why wasn't Haverford Twp smart enough to buy that property when land was cheap and parking already tight and turn the site into a small municipal parking lot? Why aren't they smart enough to do that today, so people that patronize that strip of businesses don't park, say on Penn Street?
And speaking of Penn Street and those streets back there, why doesn't Haverford Township do more to control those off campus student houses? On Penn, that street beyond - Old Railroad maybe, parts of Martin Ave and others, why are there so many student houses in that area? Is it a question of housing enforcement (because they all are filled to the gills with tons of cars year after year)or a question of needing to emulate the zoning established and refreshed by both Radnor and Lower Merion Townships?
And the stores along Lancaster that are in HT in Haverford and Bryn Mawr? Couldn't the strip stand sprucing up? Even nicer sidewalks would help. But it's only us asking, non residents.
Another example? Recently a vehicle was abandoned (yes utterly tagless)and it took DAYS before it even got tagged as abandoned....and this wasn't parked just anywhere, it was parked at a Haverford Twp parking meter on Lancaster Ave next to Our Mother of Good Counsel Gym.
As for your issues near County Line Road, don't a lot of the issues there seem to stem from the bars and private clubs on Haverford Township's side?
The ultimate frustration is THIS: private citizens from both townships and counties want things to improve, but we are the ones that have to live with the fact that often when there is an issue both townships point the finger at each other and say "it's their responsibility".
Government needs to meet government. Like a peace summit. But if they won't do it and each township won't own issues, nothing happens.
You can post photos here. If you have photos of blight and graffiti and whatever, why not post them? Especially if we're talking stuff that should be considered in Lower Merion, as many towns are being tagged to the max - here in Haverford, we're going to start taking photos again, because it is cropping up everywhere.
As for our immediate area in Haverford, we are going to work with our township and talk to businesses that are in Haverford Township and see if they can help too - we don't want anymore accidents like this, or the ones we see all too often at Penn and Lancaster (there was an accident a few months back where an older person ended up losing a foot or something because they jaywalked from in between cars parked on the paralell spots on Lancaster out front of the Acme. He got picked off by someone, who wasn't even going fast, they apparently didn't have enough reaction time in a congested area to stop. That never even made our papers for some reason (or nothing we could find)
thx
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permalinkI absolutely agree with all your saying! I hope you would be willing to come to one of our Commissioner Meetings in Ardmore with Comm. Larry Holmes and express to him, and to us( the residents in Ardmore in Delco.) what you have expressed here. We need to hear from you so that folks over here in Delco. can uderstand the magnitude of the problems we have in Haverford Township - not everyone is aware of how large they are over here. I'll be at the Commissioner's Meeting at the Ardmore Seniors Center and I will be asking for the Commissioner and the Police to start a dialogue across county lines and I'll be asking our own over here to do the same. I hope you will come.
I don't have any easy answer for all of this. Haverford Township is really a mess. Everything you have described I have trouble getting done myself so I share your frustration. Our biggest problem is the legacy of corruption over here that have filtered through every level of our gov't services. So, for instance, what has been the status quo over here goes something like this...say I see a pothole on my street and I call the streets dept. to deal with it. The response would be nil. It didn't matter how many times you called. I would have to call my commissioner and he would have to make the call. Some of our commissioners would not respond to this call to fix a pothole if one was not on the list of voters who voted for him - I kid you not! So, no matter what issue, a clear pattern of favoritism existed that allowed certain residents/businesses to get what they wanted and many of the actions throughout Haverford Township gov't were filtered down this informal chain of command. Does this still exist today? Yes! Moran is still a commissioner. But, changes have start through Andy Lewis, my commissioner, Larry Holmes and Commissioner Broido.
I know this because I have met with them, I can see what they are trying to accomplish and I can see how they have helped us in Ardmore and can see how monumental the job is going to be. For instance, we defeated Mr. Kelso and his redevelpment of St. Mary's was denied (something that would not have happened just a few years ago). All of us who fought against this redevelopment believed in our heart of hearts that we would lose - we didn't - it is a clear sign things are changing.
This is the biggest obstacle we have over here in Haverford Township - this legacy is so ingrained in the thinking of Haverford Township life long residents that it had us doubting ourselves about the Kelso property, it provides the momentum for commissioners like Moran to remain in office and even have a large base of supporters. Residents on the Delco. side complain and want action regarding all of the issues you have cited, yet they lived in a climate of corruption and non-response for so long that they don't ask their gov't for anything and they don't hold the gov't to a high enough standard. The exception to this is new residents(like myself) who new nothing of this political situation and blundered head long into it - the stories I could tell you about about my dealings with the police, commissioners, codes and zoning, etc...
So, what does all this mean...I think we are at the very beginning stages of change and the future is still not all that certain, because we could lose Lewis, Holmes, Broido and others and plunge back into corruption. It means, for the time being residents like yourself who live in Lower Merion on the border of Haverford Township are likely to be ignored for some time because our problem are still to severe.
Again, my hope is that we are moving in the right direction with all this community effort all over Ardmore in both counties. IT IS NO COINCIDENCE THAT ALL THESE CIVIC GROUPS HAVE POPPED UP OUT OF NO-WHERE, AT THE SAME TIME. We are all working for the same thing in my opinion.
And I hope to see a room full of Ardmore residents from the Haverford Township side at the meeting later this month (I'm working my side to pack the room) and a room full of Ardmore residents (from LM) at our next commissioners meeting so that we can become aware of our mutual issues.
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permalinkI'll try to get some pics up of blight along County Line (LM) side soon. Again, please don't take it as finger pointing - I could just as easily turn the camera around to the Delco side and find blight. It is an issue common to us all.
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permalinkIt is interesting that during the Wendy's construction the sidewalk was closed. There is not a crossing for considerable distance in either direction and no signs warning of the sidewalk closing. If someone were to walk on the north side of Lancaster Avenue they would be forced to jaywalk. The situation should never have been allowed by the township.
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permalinkI did do a measurement of this stretch, from Penn Rd. down to the next light. It is 4/10ths of a mile, just under half a mile. If someone was attempting to cross where the Wendies is they would have to walk nearly a mile to be legal to go straight across the street. This is one way. The same situation exist between Church Rd. and down by whole foods. I think it is unreasonable to expect pedestrians to do this, and we just are not doing a good job of promoting the walkable community ideal here if we don't encourage cross-walks like what is in downtown Ardmore.
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permalinkCorrection- it would be almost a half mile one way and almost a hole mile round trip.
Sorry, my mistake...
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