Body:
Now this is supposedly being done to accomodate Bryn Mawr College? Were some deals struck when Glenmede was hashed out? What happens if this goes through? Is there any way it can ONLY apply to Bryn Mawr and Bryn Mawr students? Should this be postposned for careful study however long it takes? So who bought Glenmede anyway and why isn't the land transfer public yet?
See meetings on www.lowermerion.org:
BUILDING & PLANNING COMMITTEE Wednesday, January 9, 2008 7:00 p.m. (Approximately)
STUDENT HOUSING AMENDMENT
Consider for approval authorizing the Township Secretary to advertise a notice of intent to hold a public hearing and adopt an ordinance amendment on February 20, 2008 to amend the Code of the Township of Lower Merion, Chapter 155, Zoning, Section 155-54 to permit student home dwelling units within an apartment building in an R-7 Zoning District, subject to compliance with separation requirements and regulations applicable to student occupied units. (Exhibit C)
For the record, my apartment building has had students living in for some years now.
To the best of my knowledge, there have never been any problems.
- Login or register to post comments
permalinknot all off campus students are bad, but there are unfortunately those who are who ruin it for the others. and landlords that can rent to students will rent to students, often over other people with regular jobs because they can get away with charging the students more money then regular folk who know better, if that makes sense?
- Login or register to post comments
permalinkI understand what you're saying about charging more and I think your reasoning makes sense, I'm just not against renting to students. If students are profitable to rent to, that's capitalism in action.
On the other hand, the key word here is: profit. I imagine that students would have greater turnover as they graduate and move out, and financially speaking, the average student is a higher risk than the average adult, in terms of risk of not paying the rent, bouncing checks, and the like. So a landlord could easily spend more time (and therefore, money) dealing with students than with non-student tenants.
I would love if there are any landlord types out there who could comment on this issue, since I freely admit I am engaging in wild speculation.
- Login or register to post comments
permalinkI am a landlord that rents to both Villanova students and non students in my two properties. Yes, I do charge more to the students, but my expenses for that building are significantly higher.
As with any business, there are good owners and bad owners. There is no reason for a landlord in this area to allow their property to become rundown. The rents that students are willing to pay should cover proper upkeep of the rental units.
- Login or register to post comments
permalinkWe hear the public hearing might be February 2008 on this, quite possibly the 20th?
Where are your properties located? Are the homes, apartments, or condos? Are your expenses higher because the students are messier? WOuld you rather have students you can get more money or a long term tenant? Are your student properties legal? Do your students comply with the number of students allowed or do you not care if they cram more in? If more students are living in your properties then legally allowed, what do you do? Since you have students in your properties, your input here adds insight we might not get ordinarily.
You are correct, there is no reason why landlords shouldn't be held accountable on any type of property whether it be commercial or residential, yet we all know that reality is truly different.
last evening if you live in Lower Merion, you would have seen the beginning of the discussion on the student housing ordinance amendment.
Someone from the federation of civics got up and reminded the BOC about what Penn and Drexel did in the 50's a 60's (see article excerpted at bottom of this comment)- a member of the Bryn Mawr Civic and Bryn Mawr community remarked that this would take housing options away from regular residents, even seniors, who could not afford to stay in Lower Merion except to rent an apartment. This person also commented on the fact that according to Bryn Mawr's own college newspaper this need is not old news - so why is it the community's responsibility to bail out institutions when they can't manage their admissions numbers, etc.?
However, it does not seem that all commissioners are gung ho on board at this point? One commissioner in particular cautioned against undoing something carefully done merely to accomodate one party - because this could have far reaching effects even if everyone is not adjacent to R7 in Lower Merion.
Black Bottom Blues:Revisiting the neighborhood that Penn and Drexel gobbled up.
by Jeffrey Barg
Parking Policy at Bryn Mawr to change By Lakshmi Gandhi NEWS EDITOR
Facts and Figures-Amount of money that Bryn Mawr recieved for Glenmede
Dorm Profile: Glenmede By Gabriel Effron GUEST WRITER
MARCH 25, 2003 Glenmede, HCA Close to Bryn Mawr Students
By Robin Reineke STAFF WRITER
MARCH 25, 2003 Glenmede Shut Down Will Reopen When BMC Enrollment Returns to Previous Levels
By Sarah Friedman NEWS EDITOR
APRIL 11, 2006 BMC Housing at Full Capacity for First Time in Years By Thea Hutchinson STAFF WRITER
SEPTEMBER 16, 2003 Housing Crunch Leads to Utilization of Parker By Stephanie Rudolph
FEATURES EDITOR
ARCHIVES > SEPTEMBER 11, 2007 > FEATURES > Article View
Glenmede Sold to Preservationists for $9.5 Million
By Rachel Park
STAFF WRITER
ARCHIVES > MARCH 25, 2003 > FEATURES > Article View
Glenmede, HCA Close to Bryn Mawr Students
By Robin Reineke
STAFF WRITER
Also see: http://www.villanova.edu/studentlife/reslife/offcampus/complexes.htm
NY Times: January 6, 2008
Age of Riches
Private Cash Sets Agenda for Urban Infrastructure
By LOUIS UCHITELLE
- Login or register to post comments
permalinkMy property is a small apartment in Radnor that was student housing when I purchased it 10 years ago. I am licensed every year by Radnor Township to rent to students and the property is peridocially inspected. I am vigilant about maintaining the legal number of students in the property and knock on wood have not had a problem. Believe me, the neighbors would let the township know. The expenses are higher because the apartments turn over every year as I only rent to seniors. Housekeeping services, junk hauling, lock changing, etc are all things done every year that wouldn't be done if I had long term tenants. I actually enjoy renting to students and have had good luck. Most of my students are honor students with very busy academic and work schedules. They are generally responsible and I feel an obligation to prepare them in a small way for life in the real world once they graduate. I am well aware of the horror stories of bad landlords and students. There are codes in place to deal with those situations.
- Login or register to post comments
permalinkwhere is your property located? You aren't one of those properties along Bryn Mawr Ave next to the WaWa are you? Or up around Conestoga and Yang Ming? Or are you up closer to the heart of Wayne? Not that it matters. Just curious because those properties along Bryn Mawr Ave look a bit sad. The bottom line is this: renting to students has very little in our opinions to do with altruism: it has to do with profit. You could by choice cease to rent to students, and rent to other people. But students are the types of tenant who rarely get an entire security deposit refunded. And housekeeping services, junk hauling, etc, are all part of being a landlord anyway, right?
Maybe YOU are lucky and you have only rented to good students, or maybe your neighbors don't think complaining gets anything accomplished...there are lots of scenarios. Do you live in the same community in which you own rental properties? Because that is not always the case with these properties. A local landlord you can at least find if there are issues...the out of towners not so easy.....now we know Radnor allows fewer students per unit then most townships (too bad Haverford Twp doesn't seem to have that - it would help back around Railroad,Penn, Dayton, County Line, etc, etc)- what do you do if you find your student renters breaking that part of the code? Do you check on that? We have heard all in all that out of the 3 townships Radnor is the toughest. We are just afraid that this Lower Merion ordinance is shortsighted, and also an ENTIRE ordinance is being changed to accommodate ONE college, only it down the road can't legally be so limiting. Hopefully it won't just get swept under the carpet, but will actually be discussed and that citizen input is valued.
We hear in our township that occasionally the concept of actually acting on what citizens want seems shocking?
Thank you again for continuing this conversation...you seem to be an exception to a general rule of thumb...would that more were like you.
- Login or register to post comments
permalinkMy property is not located in any of those areas that you mentioned, and I am aware of what those student properties look like and am just as dissappointed as you in their condition. I purchased this property, which is ten minutes from my home, in order to enable me to have an income yet stay home with my two children. I drive by it every day as I drop my daughter off at school. When I fist purchased it, the property was a mess and the students were misbehaved. I immediately put a significant amount of money into the property to clean it up and worked closely with the township, neighbors, and Villanova University when complaints did come in. Another landlord and I even sat on a community board to try to resolve the issues the neighbors had. Radnor did revise their rental ordinance in part with suggestions I made and it is unquestionably the toughest ordinance in the area.
To answer your questions, yes I could rent to non students but for the price I paid for the property and the additional improvements I would need to make inside, I don't think I could financially swing it. Most of my tenants actually do get all or close to all of their deposits back as they generally leave the place in pretty good shape. The expenses I occur are typical of any landlord, however, they occur every year where most non student tenants stay for multiple years. The one time I had clear evidence that an extra student was residing in my property, I notified the parents who were not aware of the situation and she did move out.
A question to consider, though, is if I stop renting to students, where will they go? To a landlord that is not as conscientious as I? To an illegal student rental? That would be the tradeoff. And what about the homes in our neighborhoods that are not inhabited by students, but are equally rundown or havens for partygoers? We have one in Wayne that the township can't seem to do anything about. Standards need to be established accross the board to deal with all homeowners/landlords that are spoiling our neighborhoods.
- Login or register to post comments
permalink