Narberth Police In The News


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Very interesting...I guess cops do put up with a lot of kooks, right?

Posted on Tue, Aug 12, 2008
Woman charged with harassing officers
Narberth police file criminal charges for 'giving false, misleading and slanderous statements.'
By Richard Ilgenfritz

Narberth police have filed criminal charges against a woman they say has been e-mailing and giving false, misleading and slanderous statements against some of their officers over the past few months.Although a few e-mails mentioned more than one officer, the most slanderous e-mails were directed toward a particular officer, whom the woman had never met until long after she began sending out the messages, police said.

Diane Tyler, 53, with a last known address of the 100 block of Iona Avenue in Narberth, is facing charges of criminal harassment and disorderly conduct.

"We felt the e-mails were of an harassing nature," Narberth police Lt. Art Pavoni said. "So we charged her with harassment and disorderly conduct, and they are both misdemeanors."

In various e-mails she began sending in April, Tyler accused one Narberth officer of abusing his wife and claimed that Narberth residents live in constant fear of this officer.

"There's absolutely no basis for any of the things she was saying about him," Pavoni said.

According to the criminal complaint written by Narberth police Sgt. Robert Yantorno, investigators learned about the e-mails about two months ago when the officer in question reported them to his superiors. The e-mails, which claimed the officer abuses his wife and is a threat to the public safety of Narberth residents, were sent to Narberth and Lower Merion elected officials as well as news organizations, business owners and residents throughout the borough.

Although investigators had no idea who had sent the messages since they only came from an address labeled as Narb Watcher, police were able to subpoena information from Yahoo and Internet service providers that led to Tyler's identification.

Pavoni said since investigators learned the identity of Narb Watcher, they've twice asked her to come in to the police station to discuss the case. Both times, Pavoni said, she refused.

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lmwatcher's picture
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I was talking to some people about this. We are still trying to figure out what, if any crime was committed.

I just hope this does not intimidate anyone from complaining about any government wrongdoing that may occur anywhere within the reading area of this blog and MLL and MLT. There is nothing wrong with making "slanderous" comments about public officials if they are true. It's called accountability to the people by those elected or appointed to serve.

If you make a slanderous comment about a public official that is not true, then you should get your pants sued off through civil litigation - just as when one citizen makes a defamatory comment against another.

Why it is a crime to "slander" a cop and not to slander a citizen makes no sense. Cops are ultimately citizens like everyone else.

One friend of mine seems to think all the details of what this woman did were not released, so as to make it appear that if you complain about a cop you will get arrested.

I'd be curious to know what was "harassing" in nature about these emails - outside of discrediting some cops in what could well have actually been a defamatory manner. Like I said, that would call for the harmed cop(s) to legitimately file civil litigation for slander and/or libel, but the article never really mentions what the actual criminal act was.

What sounds more likely is that this woman gave the police a false report, were a person who knowingly gives false information to any law enforcement officer with the intent to implicate another commits an offense under section 4906 of the Crimes Code (relating to false reports to law enforcement authorities), and that should have been the charge.

And yes, by the way the article reads from what the police say, this woman does sound like a kook, but that is also only one side of the story.

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lmwatcher's picture
Location: Newtown Square

Here is United States v. Popa, a case that set aside as unconstitutional a conviction of one Ion Popa, who made several racist and vulgar calls to the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia (the chief federal prosecutor in the District).

Like I said - cops and government agents need to be careful with this. From this case and others, it certainly appears the Narberth Police violated this woman's right to free speech under the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

Popa can easily be read as holding that speech that's "intend[ed] in part to communicate a political message" is protected from punishment by criminal statute. Other cases have certainly held this.

Popa can also be read as holding that speech is protected from criminal statute when the speaker "intend[ed] to engage in public or political discourse." "Public discourse" is broader than just a "political message". Numerous other cases have also held this.

With the woman in Narberth we have:

1. E-mails to numerous public officials;

2. The e-mails concerned an official matter (even if the matter was untrue and offensive) and so was not a private communication and the emails were sent to publicly published e-mail addresses of public officials in most if not all cases;

3. One can very easily argue that there is a constitutional right to harass, annoy and embarrass a public official (which police officers are) with communications to his or her office, or to an email address, about a matter of public concern. In a way that's just lawful lobbying. Terms "harass" or "intimidate" could also be construed to include such things as legally "threatening" that an official won't be re-elected, or will lose political support;

4. No threat, explicit or implicit, was made against anyone, or even inciting violence by someone else according to the MLL article.

It is constitutionally and legally troubling that the Narberth Police, as public officials, punished speech based merely on the intent of the speaker, and regardless of whether or not it actually bothers anyone. Punishing speech that is merely intending to be embarrassing is very troubling from a constitutional standpoint when it involves public officials.

Finally, the PA harassment statute does not contain a provision saying that the law can't be applied to activity protected by the state or federal constitution. That is also very troubling.

My take is that this is a very weak harassment case that opens Narberth to being hit up with a civil rights lawsuit and that the true legal recourse would have been civil litigation by the harmed cop(s) for defamation.

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then why did the woman run to another state or whatever? And what she claimed? She sorta sounds like a proverbial woman scorned, so how does anyone know she just didn't have a thing for this cop and was trying to ruin his life? This is a really strange situation.

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lmwatcher's picture
Location: Newtown Square

Well, the cops did not bother to file charges until she moved to another state for what in my mind are questionable charges. Much easier to file questionable charges against someone in Alabama.

And given all the details the cops gave to the press that made her look bad, perhaps we are dealing with scorned cops?

Who knows, there are two sides to every story. My concern is the bigger picture and what could well be an abuse of a citizen's constitutional rights by the Narberth police in a manner that also sends a message through the local press that if you exersize your constitutional rights by complaining about a cop you will be arrested.

Fact is, if a citizen has been wronged by a cop, that citizen should complain loud and clear and if that citizen gets arrested for doing so, he or she should sue in a 1983 action in civil court and file criminal charges for official oppression.

On the flip side, nobody should ever give a false statement to the police or they could get arrested for making false statements to authorities.

This whole thing, as reported by MLL, just does not pass the smell test.

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The problem with newspaper articles is you don’t know if you have all the facts or not.

If the facts as presented in this Main Line Life article are correct and are all the facts, I would say that no crime was committed and that the Narberth cops violated this woman’s constitutional rights.

From the article it would seem the Narberth cops are angry this woman emailed government types in Narberth and Lower Merion and they are taking their wrath out on her without thinking clearly.

I’d be curious to know if the Montgomery County District Attorney was involved. The article states the Narberth cops are pressing the charges. Did the Narberth cops go to the D.A. and did the D.A. refuse to press charges? Perhaps the D.A. is involved, which would tend to make the charges more legit. One of the reasons for having the D.A.’s office, outside of prosecuting criminal cases, is to make sure the police do not violate anyone’s rights with bogus criminal charges. The D.A.’s office provides the expertise so that bogus or unconstitutional charges don’t get filed (and they did just form a Public Corruption Unit).

Now, Main Line Life may not have printed all the facts or the Narberth cops may not have released all the details that would truly make for criminal harassment.

Thus, when the case goes before Valentine on September 4 it will be interesting to see if there are more facts that would warrant charges, or if Valentine as a judge elected to serve the citizens of Lower Merion and Narberth under an oath to the Constitution will just rubber stamp bogus charges, or if Valentine will truly take into consideration the constitutional rights this woman has when she complained to public officials. If this woman had reason to believe that she had a legitimate gripe, then her speech is constitutionally protected.

And, it would be a shame if this woman had to move to Alabama to escape possible retribution and intimidation tactics by the Narberth cops, but alas we don't have all the details and we don't know how many, if any, details in the Main Line Life article might be lacking.

Last but not least, you are assumed innocent until proven guilty in this country. The burden is on the government and scrutiny helps keep them honest.

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Location: Newtown Square

Yes sir, these charges are clearly unconstitutional based on what MLL said. In Hustler v. Falwell, the U.S. Supreme Court held that even civil liability for "outrageous" (not just "severe") behavior that recklessly, knowingly, or purposefully causes "severe emotional distress" (not just "substantial emotional distress") violates the First Amendment when it’s about a public figure and on a matter of public concern. Virtually all lower courts have held the same whenever the statement is on a matter of public concern - and even about a private figure.

Albeit this case references an ad parody and public figures can still obtain civil damages if they can prove that an alleged defamatory statement against them is both false and was uttered with actual malice. Still, this case makes important points on how essential the unfettered, free flow of speech is in reference to public figures and on matters of public concern when it comes to the 1st Amendment. It's not criminal behavior unless there are actual threats of violence.

And Here Is An Example of a police officer winning civil damages for harassment after a person made complaints against this police officer that were false. Note there is no mention of the person who made false statements about the police officer being arrested or convicted for his behavior.

The recourse for the Narberth Police is, once again, civil and not criminal.

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MainLineThoughts's picture
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No one wants them sniffin' round here, do we? You are entitled to your opinions, just watch it, ok? Let's see how it plays out. I am inherently suspicious of all local Main Line government branches...they don't like criticism, and I think if they could put all bloggers and public nay sayers out of business, they would. They do not value our opinions at all, really, do they? Anyhoo, I am just trying to be mindful of our ultimate blog hosts up here, ya know?

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lmwatcher's picture
Location: Newtown Square

Nobody is saying that if any Narberth Police officers have been wronged, that they should not seek redress. If this woman lied to the Narberth Police then it should not go unpunished. I also stated that nobody should ever give a false statement to police.

I don't think there is anything wrong with pointing out some facts that the charges against this woman, who is innocent until proven guilty, could well be unconstitutional. I also don't think there is anything wrong with defending her until and if she is found guilty when the police have the power to say whatever they want on front page newspaper articles.

And let's hope nobody comes sniffin' around comments on this personal blog on the SAC website for which SAC does not endorse or take responsibility for the personal opinions of the community.

With that said, I have certainly made my points on this thread and need to make no more.

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I have no problem with local police officers reading the blogs on this site, or even choosing to participate if they so desire. I'm sure they've dealt with issues like this before and could add some valuable perspective to the discussion. Heck, I'd love the chance to interact with some local law enforcement when they're not on duty. I'm sure they have all sorts of interesting stories they could tell us.

FWIW, I've generally found the cops in Lower Merion to be pretty calm, cool, and level headed. Even when dealing with emergencies.

I really don't think they'd be silly enough to try any legal funny business in response to criticism (especially when it's so easy to just sign up here and post their own response). But if someone does try some silly legal posturing, I'll merely post the details here and let natural events take their course.

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MainLineThoughts's picture
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ok, well you are the webmaster, I defer to you. LMWatcher, don't be upset with me, o.k.? I just actually do believe in conspiracy theories when it comes to esteemed local government in multiple municiplities....don't trust any of 'em at all, o.k.? There is no trust, after all, in politics....only whomever gets all the toys wins.

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lmwatcher's picture
Location: Newtown Square

I'm not saying there is a conspiracy. I'm saying it appears the Narberth Police jumped the gun - for whatever reason, and filed unconstitutional criminal charges over a woman contacting public officials about issues of public concern when the above case law indicates it is unconstitutional for the Narberth Police to file criminal charges in such a case as it violates this woman's right to free speech.

That is just an analysis of the facts from the MLL article. No conspiracy there. It appears the Narberth Police may well have dropped the ball - and again coming to that conclusion by relying on the facts from the MLL article. Now, assuming they did drop the ball, it could be an honest mistake or one could within reason fathom retribution by the Narberth Police for this woman challenging their authority and emailing elected officials. I guess that would be a conspiracy, but you could also argue it is an unfortunate but typical response for those in positions of authority in our various local governments.

One does have to wonder why this became a large, front page article in MLL as opposed to a blurb in the police reports. I'd be curious to know if the Narberth Police made this a big deal to MLL, or if MLL made it a big deal by asking a lot of questions to generate a story.

And as SAC's excellent webmaster stated, it would be great if some cops or government types would chime in. That would provide for some nice transparency and answer some unanswered questions so there is not this confusion over this MLL article.

And, I'm certainly not upset with you, Thoughts. I just think this thread provides great food for thought for citizens, as well as police and elected officials throughout the Main Line. I view this thread as a positive as opposed as a negative. It will hopefully enlighten people to their rights as well as give local government some pause so that maybe relations between the people and the government that is supposed to serve them can improve.

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MainLineThoughts's picture
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LOL, but I do believe in conspiracies. I believe that local governments hate public commenting on issues they wish they could just wish away.(Or bully it away as was apparently the case with a pol featured up here on the webmaster's blog once upon a time). And government types weigh in? On a blog? Not on the Main Line, unless they are up for election or re-election and want to capitalize on the Internet's popularity and uses. I think what is most shocking is that Narberth did this, right? Sleepy Main Line Mayberry? The thing about this case that bothers me the most is this woman went to a public town hall meeting and spoke about this and that makes ya wonder, ya know ?

Anyway, this makes for interesting watching.

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