No Sunshine in Lower Merion, or “How to get chewed out, threatened and humiliated for speaking up in a township meeting”

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Last night the Lower Merion commissioners held their committee meetings, which are open to the public and televised. I caught this disaster on television myself.

One topic of discussion by the commissioners during the Finance Committee meeting, for which the public was allowed to comment after the commissioners discussed issues, was whether the Ad Hoc Budget Committee meeting (and one would assume other ad hoc committee meetings) should be open to the public.

I personally see no reason why the Ad Hoc Budget Committee meetings should not be open to the public. Towards the end of last year when the 2009 budget was discussed in the public Finance Committee meeting, I had no idea what was going on in some cases because commissioners at times would say things like “that was discussed in the Ad Hoc Budget Committee meeting“, and then go into no detail, leaving citizens wondering what was said in these Ad Hoc Budget Committee meetings.

There was confusion last night on whether these Ad Hoc Committee meetings are required to be open to the public under law. A township resident and 1st Amendment lawyer addressed the commissioners and stated that under the Sunshine Law these meetings are required to be open to the public. Township Solicitor Gilbert High disagreed, and amazingly he basically challenged this citizen to file a lawsuit against the township. High ended his interpretation of the law by stating in effect to those who disagree with his view of the law that that is why we have “adversarial” means of solving these problems. Township Solicitor High works first and foremost for the people, but as we so often see in Lower Merion, those elected or appointed to serve the people instead only serve the interests of the township or certain senior township staff members.

One woman spoke up that she was appalled that certain commissioners were more concerned about 400 township employees than they were with 59,000 Lower Merion citizens, and she was right on. Since the discussion on whether the Ad Hoc Budget Committee should be open to the public was geared towards concerns about township employees, I couldn’t agree more with this statement.

I stated in a previous thread that there is a simple solution to this. You have one new Ad Hoc Committee meeting that deals only with sensitive personnel issues or active litigation that could possibly be discussed in any other Ad Hoc Committee meeting - with that specific new Ad Hoc Committee meeting not open to the public, and you then open all the other Ad Hoc Committee meetings up to the public because certain “non-public” issues will then not be topics. No commissioner was able to come up with and offer this simple solution last night.

As for “personnel” issues, there is no doubt that many personnel issues should be open to the public. Look what the President of the Radnor Township Board of Commissioners did last week. When charges of impropriety where levied against the township manager by a citizen at a township meeting based on public records, the Radnor board president took the township manager to task at a public meeting, later suspended the township manager and called in the District Attorney while making that public, and tonight Radnor has a public meeting in which the sole topic will be publicly deciding if this high ranking township employee should be terminated.

Lower Merion had a similar issue a ways back where a citizen publicly complained in a township meeting about criminal behavior by the former police chief (who left his job on his own terms and with his pension to great thanks by all LM commissioners) and provided the commissioners with documents backing this up in regards to lying under oath.

What did the Lower Merion commissioners do? Not what they should have done which is to maintain public trust by airing those accusations in the public so the police chief could be either fired, punished in some other manner, or have his name cleared. Nope, the LM commissioners just covered this all up with silence while residents of Lower Merion got to wonder for several years whether the police chief was a criminal or not, and wonder why these public accusations were swept under the rug by the commissioners.

Of particular disgrace last night was long time Lower Merion commissioner Louis Gould, who bizarrely stated “I don‘t fear citizens“. What was that statement all about? Was Gould trying to make a statement to those who exercised their rights to free speech and to petition the government last night? Did Gould for some strange reason feel the need to defend his manhood in a truly bizarre fashion?

The issue of whether these Ad Hoc Committee meetings should be open to the public is an emotional one for many citizens. I watched every citizen speak on this topic last night on television, and certainly strong words were used by citizens as many citizens where very frustrated with the arguments that were used by some commissioners to keep these meetings closed to the public. Speaking up as these citizens did is their Constitutional right. At no point did any of these citizens make any threats of violence or use any obscene words, and for the most part they were pretty composed and their words were well thought out.

So what does LM commissioner Gould (who has sworn an oath to “support, obey and defend” the Constitution) say after all these citizens were finished speaking? Gould states that these citizens were rude for expressing their opinions in a perfectly legal and legitimate manner and he then threatened to have any citizen who speaks up in such a manner thrown out of township meetings in the future - in what would be a patently illegal and unconstitutional manner.

Outside of serving as a means to humiliate those citizens who spoke up and exercised their rights last night, I view this as a disgraceful attempt by Gould to quash free speech and scare citizens away from exercising their rights in future township meetings.

Needless to say, the LM commissioners voted to keep the Ad Hoc Budget Committee meeting closed to the public.

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I tried to watch the meeting and first it was like watching paint dry, then the sound and picture went out for a few minutes, and eventually, I fell asleep. I will note that when it comes to the budget as long as all the voting is lockstep along party lines (much like Washington DC), nothing will ever be right, nor any problems solved. Commissioners should be more respectful of the public, as our votes keep them employed up there.

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Problem is that being a commissioner is not a fulltime job. Since the commissioners are not worried about their livelihood, they are not so concerned about losing their night job. If they were to be voted out, it is all about ego, but they also know what a small number of citizens actually follow this stuff unless it is something huge like eminent domain (or unless you have a large email distribution list for Lower Merion Eye-wink).

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What is it in Lower Merion about being an elected official and 'rudeness'? I think many believe that to disagree in public is rude, to question is rude, to have passion is rude and to care is rude. In fact, it seems, unless you agree in glowing terms you're 'rude' and should be silenced for daring to be so.

I would have to be rude by disagreeing with that belief.

I'm not the only one. Under that definition above, our Founding Fathers were amazingly rude. After all, they disagreed in public (a lot), they questioned their king (a lot), they had lots of passion, and they cared. They even did impolite things like fighting a war and rude stunts like dumping perfectly good tea in a harbor to make their point. Why, they should have been banned for life from public discourse based on all the 'rudeness' going on there.

Yes, that's sarcastic. Wherever would we be without some rudeness? Politely serving a king, enslaving our people, not voting at all.

Free speech is not only that which is polite (and polite is a highly subjective term), if it is speech that you agree with, or it is made within the confines of 'policy', or is made with no emotion. Free speech is also that speech which you disagree with, is, er, impolite, it can blaze with emotion and defies policy. That is the right that is fought for: the tolerance to accept that speech which makes your blood boil as being as legitimate as that which you agree with.

I'm just amazed that our general citizenry would allow their rights to free speech in public government to be challenged in such a fashion. Oh yeah, to challenge, then, would be rude. We can't have that.

*sigh*

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One minor point of clarification. The Township Solicitor does not work for the people. The Solicitor specifically works for the Board of Commissioners and Township government.

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Township Solicitors are paid like other township employees out of taxpayer dollars, are they not? And if township government does not work for the people, who do they work for?
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If you CLICK HERE you will see that State Attorney General Corbett disagrees with you.

The Haverford Township solicitor repeatedly acted as if his clients were only the majority commissioners and not the township, its citizens and taxpayers.

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Corbett said the grand jury also found that other township officials who were aware of these secret activities chose to remain ignorant of the details or remain silent about the misconduct of their colleagues.

Reminds me of what has been and what is still going on in Radnor and what has been and is still going on in Lower Merion according to emails that are flying around all over the place.

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