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These were recently posted on YouTube. If they are up there, we are meant to watch them. Watch important things just get blown on by...Say, has anyone seen detailed expense reports of Dave Bashore yet? Including his credit card statements? Is Radnor still saying the public can't see what is purportedly being investigated?

I am going to do something unusual, and try setting parameters for comments: If you comment, let's discuss this like rational gown-ups, ok? I have noticed a lot of sniping, and while people are entitled to their opinions, I think you guys need to get back to it, ok? You all want change, right? Then focus your attention where it needs to be: on your board of commissioners past, present, and future.

I love with the 2005 meeting where a couple of commissioners sound like they are speaking while they have food in their mouths. I love how back then they mention someone being "absent", huh?

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Thanks for posting this, Carla, but I have a feeling if I try and watch it I'm going to feel like the inmates are running the asylum!

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Brotherhood of Thieves

~ As we must account for every idle word, so must we account for every idle silence.

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Maybe...but inmate Cannan is pretty darn persuassive. I like him!

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i like him also. not a big fan of my current commish higgins (tho he did vote to boot bashore, unlike spingler hervada and mahoonie).

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The video was posted because Lot 9 at Montparnasse (off Goshen Road, near Darby Paoli Road) has recently been listed for sale and development.

The fig leaf used to justify flipping the 9 1/2 acres of open space into a buildable lot hinges on the integrity of the township documents. Considering the record tampering allegations that Radnor's BOC has leveled against the disgraced former township manager, Dave Bashore, that is a highly questionable assumption.

A letter worth Millions, from a long dead solicitor, that the BOC did not authorize, or was even aware of, shows up out of the blue, years after the fact?

Really?

BTW: You may notice that in the public comment section of the meeting Radnor Conservancy chose not to raise a word of concern at the loss of open space despite having had "many meetings and a thick file on Lot 9." What's up with that?

Doesn't Silence = Consent?

So, what's the plan now? Let me guess, shakedown Radnor's taxpayers to buy what was given away without a peep; or a questionable multimillion dollar tax break for the developer; or maybe the matter will finally be fully investigated and sorted out by the proper authorities.

Only time will tell...

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Gotcha.

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I have watched parts, but not all of the tapes. I did catch the stuff about Montparnasse (and what a POMPOUS name for a development). I also noticed how MOST commissioners kept blowing things by without public input (not Dave, incidentally) , or didn't the public comment much back then? I am concerned that you all need more media coverage - a constant hammer on them until things are figured out.

And re: Radnor Conservancy: Chips, I do NOT know enough about any their involvement, but yet I can't help but go back to the point that NO matter what group said what, GOVERNMENT is ultimately accountable/responsible. Whose ward is/was Montparnasse? Enrique Hervada? Who should have cared more then and should care more now? Who is not running again?

My concerns are more about citizens and citizen groups working together to get through this and to change the faces of who governs you - focus on your commonalities and git 'r done.

Y'all have not spoken much about your commissioner candidates, and although they could e-mail in a photo and a statement for posting, have not. I found a link:

THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS
OF RADNOR TOWNSHIP

Could you all start posting any candidate website addresses, etc for everyone to see? It would be nice to have all candidates out in open...thanks!!

So here are the candidates:

Sixth Ward - no Democrat running - DONALD CURLEY, Wayne, PA is Republican

Fourth Ward - DEMOCRAT ELAINE PAUL SCHAEFER, Newtown Square, PA
REPUBLICAN-HARRIETTE WALDRON, Villanova, PA

Second Ward - no Democrat running - KEVIN HIGGINS, Radnor, PA is Republican Candidate and why doesn't he list his date of birth when other candidates did?

Any write ins?

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Carla, I concur with you that Radnor’s elected governmental officials, including 4th Ward Commissioner Enrique Hervada, have paramount responsibility regarding Lot 9.

However, this fact does not absolve the Radnor Conservancy, the self-proclaimed “Local champion of protection efforts in the Radnor Township area” for its complete failure to speak out on the Lot 9 issue. Chip is totally correct, in that the Conservancy uttered nary a public peep about Lot 9…despite the fact that they claim to have “[o]ver 300 members”:

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http://www.radnorconservancy.org/About_Us/about_us.html
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…and despite the fact that the Conservancy claims that their organization “[i]s one of action” which has “[a]dvocated for needed protection measures”:

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Additionally, Carla, you are not alone in your belief that “[You] do NOT know enough about [the Radnor Conservancy]’s involvement [regarding Lot 9]”. Indeed, just about all of us in Radnor Township are likewise in the dark about the Conservancy’s involvement on Lot 9…because the Conservancy didn’t do anything in public insofar as Lot 9 is concerned. Instead, all we have heard from the Conservancy’s representatives (as Chip pointed out) is that (a) they had “[a] lot of meetings” and (b) they “Assembled a thick file”.

However, I find this fact someone puzzling: If the Conservancy was, as its representatives assert, vigorously “[m]onitoring the Lot 9 situation behind the scenes”, why did they fail to address the issue of Lot 9 in any of their newsletters:

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Here’s something even more puzzling: Despite the Conservancy’s apparent failure to bring Lot 9 to the attention of their members via a newsletter, on page 4 of the Summer 2008 issue, the Conservancy devoted a “Thank You” box to the developer/owner of Lot 9, Cas Holloway and his building company (C.F. Holloway & Company):

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http://www.radnorconservancy.org/Newsletters/RC_Summer_08_newsletter.pdf
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I’ll close by stating that Chip is correct in his assertion that “Only time will tell”…but in the interim, a lot of us have serious questions about Lot 9…and those questions are not exclusively confined to the role and involvement of the local government.

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with the information given by radlawyer, i located the property listing for lot 9 (sorry if the link doest work - im new at this!!)

http://www.prufoxroach.com/search/search_results_profile.cfm?propID=a8974a5c-5ba7-4287-b22c-1247fdec63f1&propNo=5&sortby=1&pagestart=1&startrow=1&displaycount=20

4.5 million for 9.5 acres in radnor and a 10 thousand square foot house. thats a spicy meatball. maybe the conservacy can buy it for their next 'sellout' hoedown

http://www.mainlinemedianews.com/articles/2009/05/14/main_line_suburban_life/opinion/doc4a0af2321db7e156259645.txt

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OMG..the title of the letter in ChickenSandwich's link is "Hoedown is a Sellout"?!

LMAO...it's funny cause it's true!!

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Hoedown? Sellout? C'mon...no fair - laughing so hard...LMAOA

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Yup,they sold out. Silence = Consent.

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Indeed...couldn't have set it much better, Chips.

Here is a description of the "sellout hoedown" on the Conservancy's website (text after the hyperlink):

http://www.radnorconservancy.org/

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Sunday, May 17th 3 to 7 pm
HOEDOWN AT THE FARM
At The Willows Park

An event to benefit Radnor's own community supported agriculture, The Skunk Hollow Community Farm. Down-home eats, Sack races, Hay rides, Mechanical bull, Live auction, Music by Wissahicken Chicken Shack. Tours of the farm and the restored Willows Cottage. TICKETS (includes food and beverage) $25 per adult, $10 per child under 12. children under 3 are free! Kindly respond by downloading and sending in the response card, or by contacting Radnot Conservancy at (610) 688-8202, or use Paypal.

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I don't have much to say, due to the fact that I'm not terribly familiar with "[d]own home eats"...but I do hope that nobody was injured by the "Mechanical bull".

However, one phrase did catch my attention: "[c]ildren under 3 are free!" (everyone else is ten bucks and up). That seems a tad stiff (I don't foresee 3 year olds eating much food, placing auction bids, jumping in many sacks, or [gulp] riding the mechanical bull)...but maybe the Conservancy is assembling the requisite funds to buy Lot 9. If that's the case, then I'm all for the Conservancy's "sellout hoedowns"...and their accompanying promise to squeeze every red penny out of Radnor's toddlers.

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Non profits have to make money, and it is not uncommon to levy a per head charge for kids over a certain age. The St. David's Fair charges for their fair every year, for example.

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I certainly agree with you, Carla (I've been attending St. David's Fair for the past twenty-some years...great white elephants, great baked goods, great fall ambiance).

But if St. David's cut-off for non-payment is two years and 364 days, then I'm St. David. Eye-wink

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And ROFL, "down home" eats might have been what that Hervada guy was munching while he discussed the "Black AME Church" April 27, 2009 Radnor BOC meeting with regard to Brook Street and Resolution 2009-23 since he seemed like he was eating something at one point while speaking?

And OH, re: student housing again. Passed by that yellow cottage supposedly in foreclosure on the corner of Castlefinn and Bryn Mawr Ave this weekend in your 5th ward? So student rental and Radnor has allowed it? That house is not zoned student rental, so what are the side deals going on at this location and elsewhere?

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i drove by skunk hollow this sunday. despite the 'sellout', i didnt see much evidence of a hoedown. maybe the conservancy's hoedowns are conducted in the same way as everything else the conservancy does (in backrooms, behind the scenes, not public, not assertive).

and i agree with RL, $10 admission for a 3 year old?! crazy in most economies, flat-out insulting in this one.

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Great. Now my mind is full of ghastly images of Radnor Conservancy members turning little kids upside-down and shaking coins out of their overalls.

"When were you born!? 2006? What month of 2006?! Answer me!!"

Or maybe the Conservancy members just encouraged the tykes to dance more vigorously during the hoedown - so that loose change would fly out of their pockets. This is commonly known as "Finders-keepers Fundraising".

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I love the cake walk at St. Davids...raises money for a great cause, and takes care of dessert for WEEKS.

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The Hoe Down was a great success. Over 500 tickets were sold and folks had a great time. There was a wonderful sense of community, a great Country band, and excellent food.

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That's terrific!

By my rudimentary calculations, which take the average of a $25 dollar ticket and a $10 dollar ticket (the only tickets, according to the Conservancy's official website, that can be "sold") and, thereafter, multiplying that number ($17.50) by the number of tickets "sold" (five hundred), the Conservancy raised, approximately, eight thousand seven hundred and fifty dollars ($8,750.00) on Sunday.

Would you mind telling me (and the readers of SAC) how much of that money (or, alternatively the percentage thereof) is going to the Conservancy's preservation efforts at Lot 9?

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Not one cent since the purpose of the fund raising was to support the farm (as described in the mailing).

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"Not one cent" of the hoedown proceeds raised by the Radnor Conservancy on Sunday (which was, according to you, a "great success") is going to the preservation of Lot 9?

Two questions:

(1) Could you explain why the Conservancy is (apparently) prioritizing the 2.5 acre, publicly-owned (and now, fenced-in) garden at Skunk Hollow over the 9.5 acres of open space that is under an active risk of development at Lot 9?

(2) Is the Conservancy currently fundraising for the preservation of Lot 9?

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RL I am confused. Why did the event proceeds have to go to Lot 9 when it seemed to me the purpose of the event was to raise funds to preserve the Willows and Willows Cottage? Fair is fair, this event was planned before Lot 9 came up again. Fundraising like this to save the building is not a bad thing.

See:
Hoedown

Partnering with the Friends of Willows

Main Line Media News

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Carla, respectfully, the issues surrounding Lot 9 did not occur subsequent to the planning and execution of the hoedown. Rather, the issues surrounding Lot 9 have been ongoing for years, and have been known to the Conservancy for years. So, yes, "fair is fair", but "timing is everything".

I don't think anybody is suggesting that fundraising for the preservation of Radnor's historical buildings is "a bad thing". Indeed, I asked for clarification as to how the Conservancy's fundraising proceeds (if at all) would be steered towards the preservation efforts at Lot 9, and I did not condemn funding for the "farm" or the preservation of historical structures. When Mr. Nagle commented that the allocation of funds to Lot 9 would be "Not one cent", my subsequent questions (which are still pending) are directed towards the Conservancy's priorities (and the formulation thereof).

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i have 3 questions for JohnN -

1. why was it decided that none of the conservancys 'sellout hoedown' funds should be put towards the preservation of lot 9?

2. has the conservancy set aside money for the preservation of lot 9?

3. didnt you state you werent going to post on here anymore?

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ChickenSandwich,
ROFL Laughing out loud everyone swears once in a while they won't blog again up here or ever blog again.... LOL, didn't ArdmoreWilley even say that and now he is back? Smiling Sticking out tongue

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yep. i def. put JohnN and ArdmoreWilley in the same boat.

not that i really blame JohnN for beating a hasty (if only temporary) retreat - seems like every time he posts something, he gets (righteously) carved up like a succulent thanksgiving turkey.

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the posting by JohnN doesnt surprise me. he measured the conservancy's success by how much fun the people had at the hoedown. thats similar to the rest of the convervancy's activities that im aware of - lots of parties, lots of fun times. its really a social group.

id really like to see the radnor conservancy act as an advocate/activist and measure their success by how much open space they are able to preserve/conserve - instead of how much fun they have at their parties at androssen and their hoedowns in skunk hollow.

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OMG. You Radnor people may want to watch a video running on the Radnor website with a speaker who is a proponent of nuclear energy talking at a presentation on sustainable growth in Radnor. What's next? A hoedown at the cooling towers on the banks of Darby Creek?

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Sounds interesting but I can't find it. Do you have a link?

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I'd really like to see that video. Do you have the URL?

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Actually the presentation was about the different options that will be available to us in the future. The program did not endorse any particular outcome. I presented a section that covered Nuclear, Geothermal, Hydro, and Hydrogen. Yes I beleieve in Nuclear BUT if you watch carefully I stated that my first choice would be conservation and efficiency.
For base load generation what would you propose?

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i havent seen the video (do you have the link), but it sounds from your post like you go in this order - conservation (i agree), efficiency (most certainly), and then nuclear power (wtf?!).

pardon my bluntness, but were you speaking for the radnor conservancy when you stated that belief? i dont really want radnor to resemble limerick.

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I was speaking as John Nagle. If I had been speaking for the Conservancy I would have used my RC Title.

Radnor to Resemble Limerick... ? Do you mean the power plant (which is in Sanatoga, if I remember correctly) or the Town of Limerick?

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how about 'limerick township' (like radnor township, except limerick in place of radnor).

perhaps this will refresh your memory -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerick_Nuclear_Power_Plant

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Well then I really don't understand the comment you made with regard to Nuclear Power. The power plant is not in Limerick Township. I guess you were just dissing Limerick Township?

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ChickenSandwich is such a liar. I'll prove it by doing a rudimentary Google search on this topic.

Let's see here...the Government of Berks County states, on their official webpage, that the "Exelon Limerick Generating Station" (the nuclear power plant) is in "Limerick Township, Montgomery County":

http://www.co.berks.pa.us/ema/cwp/view.asp?a=1256&q=469892

But you can't trust those guys...they're in Berks County...what could they possibly know? I'll dig deeper and find out what Montgomery County officials think about the location of the power plant:

http://dps.montcopa.org/dps/cwp/view,a,1596,q,53411.asp

Rats! Those MontCo liars also seem to think that the Limerick Generating Station is in "Limerick Township, Montgomery County". Well...hmmmm...why don't I check to see what Limerick Township thinks about the "Exelon Limerick Generating Station":

http://www.limerickpa.org/

Well whaddayaknow...Limerick Township says on their official webpage that they are the "home" of the "Exelon Limerick Generating Station". Why...the lies of ChickenSandwich are even more widespread than I've ever dreamed! In fact, ChickenSandwich’s lies have even permeated to Exelon (the self described "[l]argest nuclear operator in the United States") itself. Bear witness to Exelon’s horrific dishonesty:

http://www.pottsmerc.com/articles/2009/02/17/news/srv0000004712920.txt

How dare Exelon lie and state that "Limerick Generating Station is part of the fabric of [Limerick Township]" and then present Limerick Township with a five hundred thousand dollar ($500,000.00) donation!

ChickenSandwich...for the love of all that is good and true, please retract your statements at once, and stop your vicious pattern of distortion. Please…I beg of you.

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they all had it coming. thatll teach em not to listen to a talking sandwich!.

i just wish i had been more devious with my lies and convinced montco, berkco, limerick township, and exelon that the power plant was located in skunk hollow in radnor township.

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I like your style, RadnorLawyer. Well played, sir!

I'm the first to admit that I don't know the area around Limerick terribly well, so my geography of that part of the state should be taken with about ten grains of salt.

But even if JohnN were correct, what in Heaven's name is he trying to prove? That there isn't a rather gigantic nuclear plant somewhere right around or in Limerick?

Again, what in the world is his point?

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I really couldn't tell you...except that John really, really believes that the nuclear plant is not in Limerick Township (despite the links I found from various governmental entities, including Limerick Township).

But maybe John has inside information. His company Enercon (see Woozaleedoodle's post below) recently entered into a big contract with Exelon (the operator of the Limerick Generating Station):

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS150361+18-Feb-2008+PRN20080218

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his point is that i dissed limerick township. and by saying diss, johns street cred went up about twenty points and he can now sit with the cool kids during lunchtime.

and thats fine - i will sit with the nerds and come up with geeky cheeky insults like 'john nukel' 'john chernagle' and 'three mile johnny'.

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No surprise about your nuke support. You said on your LinkedIN page (god i love google) that you are employed by Enercon - a big consultant for energry companies, oil companies and nuclear power plants -

http://www.enercon.com/

I'm not liking that middle picture (cooling tower over the pond/forrest). I also don't want to see anything like what is going on in this photo in Radnor -

http://www.enercon.com/new_plant_services/index.php

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I would be interested in hearing how you would propose that a non-profit organization raise money for their projects? Frankly I would be happy to not have to bother with these things. They take an incredible amount of energy and tons of volunteers to do. We also go after grants so that we can do our educational programing and such. Take a minute and read the newsletter (without pre-conceptions0 and you will see that we do a lot.

So, given that we must fund raise, shouldn't it be important that we want folks to "have a nice party"?

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how would i raise money for a project if i headed up a non-profit?

well, for starters, id pick a project that a huge pool potential donors could get behind. 'preservation of lot 9' sounds like it would be a very popular project. 'convert public open space into fenced farmland' would probably appeal to far less people

once i picked a popular project i would go door-to-door, speak at public meetings, write countless letters to the editors of local papers, and host fundraiser, after fundraiser, after fundraiser. that way, id make sure i was raising public awareness as well as money.

ive said many times that the conservancys parties sound like a wicked good time. my issue has been that they dont seem to do much aside from partying.

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I think we hould start a new thread to discuss Lot 9 with that as a title. It would capture more participation I'll bet.

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Here's another idea (really, a prerequisite) on how to fundraise: spend the funds raised conscientiously, so that your organization does not risk losing its credibility with its donors.

Check out the "wishlist" for the publicly owned, fenced-in farm, as put forth on the Radnor Conservancy's official website:

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http://www.radnorconservancy.org/CSA_Wish_List/csa_wish_list.html

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Soapstone sinks...matching stainless steel appliances...are these types of expenditures really necessary?

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Yes! Nothing screams "historical farm" like Viking ranges, Sub-Zero fridges, and soapstone counters/sinks. ROFLMAO!!

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whats the 'commercial glass refridgerator' for, and why is it going into the 'stables area'?

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So that the imaginary horsies can choose what they want to eat without needing to open the door (energy conservation!).

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It is a wish list..... The Stables area is the Harvest Center where the crops will be picked up by the shareholders.

The Soap stone sink has been donated and was on the list because of a desire to attempt, to the extent practical, to stay in the character of the Cottage.

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