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Here are the applications and resumes of candidates seeking appointment to the 5th Ward Commish vacancy; natch no written background info was provided at the BOC meeting.

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Thanks.

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ive been watching the last commissioners meeting from 6:00 a.m. till now. thanks chips for posting this information about the 5th ward candidate.

for those who watched the meeting, commissioner fisher read the final document (john nagles email to commissioners fisher masterson, mahoney, and higgins) into the record. start watching the video at 8:10 -

at 10:55 of the above video, bill 'i will write dave bashore a letter of recomendation' spingler chimes in and says this to ernie shapiro and the board of commissioners -

i would just like to say that uh, six years ago, i supported john nagle and over seven hundred people voted and he lost by forty some votes. two years ago i supported him and over seven hundred people voted and he lost by two votes. and uh im committed to support john nagle and help him get elected. so to be fair tonight its nothing against you but im voting 'no', because im supporting john nagle - i think he would make an excellent commissioner. i have nothing against you but ive worked hard for him in two separate elections and im gonna work hard in another election. and uh, ill never say anything negative about you, im a very positive guy, but im supporting john nagle, and to do that, i have to vote 'no' tonight.

later in the evening, dan sherry addressed the board (very long presentation - i need to do a seperate post on it), and brought up the interim appointment process, and made, in this sandwichs humble opinion, a very salient point about john nagles email. start watching at 7:17 -

i think john nagles email was a shameful attempt to rewrite history - and i think dan sherry popped his balloon.

also, what is up with john nagle sending his email to less than all commissioners (spingler and hervada are not on the address) - yet he specifically included main line suburban life reporter sam strike?

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Great post, Sandwich!

Looking at John Nagle's request to become interim commissioner, and his "withdraw e-mail", there is NO DOUBT in my mind that Nagle is engaging in revisionist history.

There is no portion of Nagle's initial September 3, 2009 request that even HINTS that Nagle was interested only if nobody else wanted the appointment. Instead, he uses COMPETITIVE LANGUAGE like 'I believe I am the right person for the job'. Then, on September 14, 2009, Nagle has the gall to claim, 'I was only interested in the interim appointment if there were no other candidate.'

I don't trust John Nagle, but after seeing Bill Spingler endorse Nagle at Monday's Commissioners' meeting, I will offer Nagle a bit of friendly advice -

HEY JOHN - BILL SPINGLER SUPPORTED YOU IN YOUR LAST TWO ELECTION BIDS. YOU LOST BOTH TIMES. MAYBE THE VOTERS ARE TELLING YOU SOMETHING. MAYBE YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO THEM.

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At the time I spoke at the Commissioners meeting, I had not seen Mr. Nagle's September 3, 2009 letter requesting interim appointment.

Accordingly, after Commissioner Fisher read Mr. Nagle's September 14, 2009 EMAIL into the record, I asked the Board whether Mr. Nagle had conditioned his request to become the interim Commissioner for the the 5th Ward, on the grounds that there were no other interested applicants. The response from the Board was that Mr. Nagle had not made such a conditional request.

Therefore, as I stated at the meeting, I was saddened but not surprised by Mr. Nagle's September 14, 2009 EMAIL.

A subsequent review of Mr. Nagle's September 3, 2009 letter has intensified my disappointment.

As was pointed out previously, Mr. Nagle's intial request, submitted on September 3, 2009, contains language that contradicts his assertion on September 14, 2009 that "[He] was only interested in the interim appointment if there were no other candidate[s]."

On September 3, 2009, Mr. Nagle utilized the following phrase:

I believe I am the right person for the job, not because of the last election but because I care about and am involved in our Community and I am up to date on the issues currently under consideration.

This type of language unquestionably presupposes that there will be multiple applicants seeking the interim appointment. Indeed, in the remainder of his September 3, 2009 request to become Interim Commissioner (and in his attached resume), Mr. Nagle attempted to disginguish himself from the rest of the applicant field - notwithstanding the confusing "Objective" portion of Mr. Nagle's resume which stated the following language:

Objective: Technical Project Management position in the utility or regulatory environment where I can use my problem solving, organizational and management skills to contribute to the success of the organization.

Moreover, there is no language in Mr. Nagle's September 3, 2009 letter that is indicative or suggestive of any desire on Mr. Nagle's part to limit his application based on the size of the applicant field. For example, there is no language in the September 3, 2009 letter setting forth the equivalent of "My request should be considered only insofar as there are no other candidates", or "I seek this appointment on the sole basis that no other individuals have expressed interest in the position", or "Please disregard my request for appointment, should another applicant step forward".

Therefore, I find Mr. Nagle's conduct surrounding his request to become Interim Commissioner of Radnor's 5th Ward, to be contradictory and extremely misleading.

In closing, I sincerely appreciate that fact that Chip Layfield obtained Mr. Nagle's September 3, 2009 letter, and posted it on this website alongside Mr. Nagle's September 14, 2009 EMAIL wherein Mr. Nagle "removed" his request for interim appointment.

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Moreover, there is no language in Mr. Nagle's September 3, 2009 letter that is indicative or suggestive of any desire on Mr. Nagle's part to limit his application based on the size of the applicant field. For example, there is no language in the September 3, 2009 letter setting forth the equivalent of "My request should be considered only insofar as there are no other candidates", or "I seek this appointment on the sole basis that no other individuals have expressed interest in the position", or "Please disregard my request for appointment, should another applicant step forward".

good points.

i would add the following sentences (and variations) to the list of expected language in a conditional application (none of which were in john nagles september 3, 2009 application) -

'i am conditionally applying.'

'my application is made on a very limited basis, since there are no other people applying for commissioner.'

'i dont want an interim appointment, i want the 5th ward voters to decide, and i am only applying because the charter requires an appointment and no one else has indicated they want to run, and i want my ward to have immediate representation on the board.'

i just dont see any evidence supporting nagles current contention that he limited his application for interim appointment. instead, a plain reading of the language in nagles september 3rd application demonstrates that he wanted to be picked no matter the circumstances.

and thats fine - just dont decieve the voters by telling them that it was always your attention to only take the appointment if nobody else stepped up to the plate.

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Fronpaged.

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I was delighted when I saw today that John 'I Must Control My Anger' Nagle was back on his blog, RoundRadnor.

And wouldn't you know it - Nagle is trying to reinvent (again) his beliefs about the 5th Ward vacancy, and what should have been done about it -

http://roundradnor.blogspot.com/2009/09/politics-as-usual-in-radnor.html

Tuesday, September 22, 2009

Politics as usual in Radnor

For those of you who may have missed it, we now have a new 5th Ward Commissioner. The position will be filled until the special election in November by an appointee.

The Board of Commissioners voted 4 to 2 to appoint the Republican candidate, along party lines. I am not surprised although I had hoped that they would have just let the seat remain open. After all it has been vacant for 9 months so why would another 6 weeks matter? No Commissioner Hervada, we don't need representation under these circumstances, we can wait.

Most disappointing was that the Republican Commissioners didn't have the cahones to stand up to the party hacks.

Reconcile Nagle’s initial application for interim appointment (posted by Chip at the start of this thread) with Nagle’s current claim -

I hoped that they would have just let the seat remain open. After all it has been vacant for 9 months so why would another 6 weeks matter? No Commissioner Hervada, we don't need representation under these circumstances, we can wait.

Nagle may be many things - but he is not very consistent.

Also, methinks Nagle should check his own package (and consult a Spanish dictionary), before he, an actively-endorsed Democratic candidate for Commissioner, starts casting accusations about 'cahones'.

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Mr. Nagle’s recent commentary on his website, RoundRadnor, is exceedingly problematic on multiple levels.

Under section §2.05 of Radnor’ Municipal Code, the Commissioners are required to appoint an interim commissioner, and their failure to do so, can trigger a court appointment:

http://www.ecode360.com/?custId=RA0484

Whenever a vacancy exists in the office of Commissioner, the vacancy shall be filled in accordance with the procedures which follow:

A. The Board, by majority vote of its total membership, within thirty (30) days from the time the office becomes vacant, shall make an interim appointment of a qualified person to fill the vacancy.

B. Should the Board, for any reason, fail to fill a vacancy within thirty (30) days after the vacancy occurs, any court of competent jurisdiction of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, upon petition of any Commissioner or any five (5) registered electors of the ward, shall make an interim appointment of a qualified person to fill the vacancy.

C. The person appointed to fill a vacancy shall serve until a successor has been elected and assumed the office.

D. At the next regularly scheduled primary, municipal or general election which takes place at least sixty (60) days after the vacancy occurs, a qualified person shall be elected by special election in accordance with the Pennsylvania Election Code to fill the vacancy. A person elected to fill a vacancy shall assume office at the start of the first regularly scheduled meeting of the Board following election and certification by the County Board of Elections and shall serve for the remainder of the unexpired term.

Accordingly, Mr. Nagle’s commentary that the Board of Commissioners could voluntarily leave open the vacant seat of Lisa Paolino (who resigned her seat on August 17, 2009) is demonstrably at odds with the plain language of Radnor’s Municipal Code.

Moreover, the fact that Mr. Nagle is now publicly revealing a desire to deprive his constituents in the 5th Ward of representation until the November election (and it follows that 5th Ward residents would not start to receive representation on the Board until January when the newly elected Commissioners are sworn in) is, in my opinion, staggeringly arrogant:

I am not surprised although I had hoped that they would have just let the seat remain open. After all it has been vacant for 9 months so why would another 6 weeks matter? No Commissioner Hervada, we don't need representation under these circumstances, we can wait.

Finally, it bears mention that Mr. Nagle has been criticized for his repetitive public usage of explicit and demeaning language. While that does not disqualify him for public office, it is notable that Mr. Nagle is now the endorsed Democratic candidate for 5th Ward Commissioner, and obtaining the endorsement of a major political party brings with it certain expectations of civility and decorum.

Accordingly, I found the following recent quote by Mr. Nagle on his publicly-accessible website to be extremely disconcerting:

Most disappointing was that the Republican Commissioners didn't have the cahones to stand up to the party hacks.

While I do not doubt the sincerity of Mr. Nagle’s emotions (he is clearly very upset), I will say that I sincerely hope that Mr. Nagle refrains from making those types of sweeping, ad hominem comments for, at a minimum, the remainder of his campaign.

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Ahhh, Nagle what a goof.

Now he is proposing a 3rd Way. No caretakers, no candidates picked by the BOC, nope now he wants, in defiance of the Township Home Rule Charter, for the 5th Ward to be represented by a vacant seat.

A vacant seat at the Radnor Board of Commissioners might serve Nagle's own political interests, but it is hard too see how an empty seat would benefit the residents of the 5th ward or the township as a whole.

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A vacant seat at the Radnor Board of Commissioners might serve Nagle's own political interests, but it is hard too see how an empty seat would benefit the residents of the 5th ward or the township as a whole.

SO TRUE!

Also, Chip, if you can get that 'Flip Flop' design onto a t-shirt, I will buy a dozen of them!

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Very nice analysis, Radnor Lawyer.

Although it seemed highly unseemly of him, am I recall correctly that Mr. Nagle ducked out of a debate with you? Maybe I can yell, kick, and scream and again request that you two have a debate, which I think would be highly instructive and a real benefit to the entire Township.

And parenthetically, do you know if Nagle has any intention on debating his opponent? I would think that a man as media-savvy as Nagle, and who has the kind of political and media cache that Nagle does, would be licking his chops and try and schedule as many debates as possible, because it seems that he would absolutely thrive in such a debate format.

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the self-destructive behavior of john nagle constantly perplexes this sandwich.

i cant believe that john nagle, a candidate for commissioner, would say in the middle of a campaign that his ward doesnt need representation until the election (not even by a caretaker), and would then start dismissing other elected officials with words like 'hacks' and 'cohones'(sic).

to me it sounds like john nagle is still very bitter about not getting the interim appointment. its okay to be disappointed about a loss - but why would nagle then choose to publicly portray himself as an angry man, and question the masculinity of the other members of the board (yes, they are all dudes at this point).

maybe nagle will explain himself in a future post.

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As a former supporter of Mr. Nagle, I'm afraid that I can't conjure up any defense to explain his (as you eloquently described) "self-destructive behavior" as of late. I am really perplexed as to why anyone in their right mind would act the way that he has lately. And again, I take no pleasure in stating that whatsoever, and to the contrary, it is rather painful, because I used to be a huge fan of Nagle.

Like Sandwich, I too hope that Nagle will explain himself, both on this fantastic forum and in other arenas.

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