Philly Carpenter's Union sees own shadow; Moves 10 feet

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Guess who came back to Ardmore today? If you said Scumbag Steve, you're close. Really close.

Unfortunately, Steve couldn't make it. So we got the Philadelphia Carptener's Union instead:

They're like the third string of comedy acts at this point.

Things that I noticed about this protest:

- They moved 10 feet

- That guy in the middle seems to have gained weight

- It's still old white guys

Draw your own conclusions.

Does anyone know if Ed Coryell has made a public statement about this yet? You'd think the least he could do is explain why his boys seem hell bent on running an innocent business into the ground.

I don't have much else to say, since it's more of the same. (not a very creative bunch, I know) I took some more pics, they can be found over here.

 

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WHY are they permitted to do this for soooo long ?    I have yet to hear anyone in Ardmore voice support for these sign holders -- it is a disgrace !  What do they want to accomplish ?  So they find some wack-a-doodle supporters who decide to go to Starbucks instead ..... do they want MilkBoy to pay them to go away or do they want MilkBoy to go out of business ??   Either way, they are the ones responsible for hurting our community (we should find out if they live in Ardmore --- if so, where ???  I am willing to spend a few hours outside of their homes with signs .....early am ... dinner time works).  Sadly, some of us need to actually WORK for a living so I can't hang out at MilkBoy during the day wearing a t-shirt stating, "yes, they have too much time on their hands!"

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Well, it is a First Amendment issue, so it is their legal right to do that. So there is precious little than can be done on a criminal level.

On a civil level, Milkboy might have a claim for something like tortious interference, but I suspect that would be an uphill battle on their part. Not to mention that lawyers cost money.

we should find out if they live in Ardmore --- if so, where ???  I am willing to spend a few hours outside of their homes with signs .....early am ... dinner time works

That is unclear to me. But if you want to follow them back to their cars and/or homes, you might... want to check with a legal professional first.  I'm not sure where the line exists between "concerned citizen" and harassment/stalking.

Sadly, some of us need to actually WORK for a living so I can't hang out at MilkBoy during the day wearing a t-shirt stating, "yes, they have too much time on their hands!"

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"Sadly, some of us need to actually WORK for a living so I can't hang out at MilkBoy during the day wearing a t-shirt stating, "yes, they have too much time on their hands!"

           ^ this"

 

Maybe, they already did their work. A union carpenter, with thirty years in their book, can retire, with lifetime benefits, at age 52 and collect 'double pension' until age 62. Not bad for stupid idiot creep low-life neighborhood-ruiners*, is it?

If you all had this going for you, you'd probably do everything you could to protect it, also. If you think their job is so easy, try it for one day. Then, try it for thirty years. Then, complain about how they don't earn what they get.

 

*edit- I forgot thug

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And meanwhile most people have to work into their seventies with no pension, let alone a "double pension" where they can retire at age 52 and hang out in front of good local businesses and harm them.

Like I posted, I initially supported the 1A rights of the Carpenters Union to protest, but I now feel this has gone too far and the sole goal is to put a good, job creating, taxpaying business out of business.

Times have changed, and I agree for the worse the way benefits have been decimated for private sector workers - the vast majority of workers in this country.

You are not generating any sympathy for these union types if they are out protesting, retired at age 52 with a "double" pension, harming a good local business, while those seeing them protesting driving to work for a hard 50 hour work week where they make $40 a year, will have no pension, and will probably have to work well into their seventies because they can't save enough to retire.

You can argue that is the great thing about unions, but that is not reality for the vast majority of people, and the reason union membership is dwindling for big businesses is that they have been put out of business by the costs of unions.

The heavily unionized U.S. auto industry is in shambles, and meanwhile every BMW X3 made for worldwide consumption is made in southern states in the U.S. where the workers receive competitive wages, a 401k and most importantly a job - and I don't hear them complaining.

Sure, everyone would love to get well above market wages and to receive a double pension and retire at age 52.

If that happened with everyone the economy would be shambles. That's why everyone can't be unionized and unions become clubs for the select few and connected.

I don’t see those guys who are protesting as “stupid idiot creep low-life” types, as you put it, but rather members of a special, elite class of workers that protects their special status with intimidation tactics.

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A union carpenter, with thirty years in their book, can retire, with lifetime benefits, at age 52 and collect 'double pension' until age 62. Not bad for stupid idiot creep low-life neighborhood-ruiners*, is it?

Huh, never heard of that before. Where does the money for this "double pension" come from?  I thought the Philly Carptener's Union was just a trade association, not an employer. 

If you all had this going for you, you'd probably do everything you could to protect it, also.

Yep.  Just like what the MPAA and RIAA have been doing with filesharers.  Back in the early 2000s when file sharing software caught on, the **AAs were behind the curve, and things like iTunes and NetFlix didn't exist.  Rather than innovate, both entities decided it would be an awesome idea to file lawsuit after lawsuit to protect their outdated business model.  And what they did was also bullying: they sued children, grandmothers, and even people who didn't own computers.

Fast forward a few years, and not only didn't it work, but services like the afore-mentioned iTunes and Netflix sprung up, neither of which is owned by either entity.  They had a huge revenue opportunity and missed out on it.

Likewise, the Philadelphia Carptener's Union is in the same position as the **AAs, clinging to is essentailly an outdated business model.  As I see it, they have 3 choices:

1) Make their operations more efficient so they can afford to charge less and be more competitive in the global marketplace.

2) Add value to their services so that the incraesed wage delivers something in return.

or 3) Cling to an outdated business model and attempt to bully anyone who doesn't hire them.

#1 and #2 are a win-win for all participants.  #3 will only earn them more public ridicule what is probably city's most hilarious case of misplaced anger.

 

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"Sure, everyone would love to get well above market wages and to receive a double pension and retire at age 52.

If that happened with everyone the economy would be shambles."

So, because everyone can't, no one should? Sounds like the 'redistribution of the wealth' argument, only ass-backward.

 

 

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Putting words in my mouth.

You have workers in MilkBoy making $10-12 an hour or so with no pension who are happy to have their job and like where they work.

Meanwhile, retired union workers in their 50's receiving a double pension are trying to put MilkBoy out of business and cost these people their jobs.

How is that fair?

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You seem to know a lot about how much people make and should make. Now, tell us about you; what do you do and how much do you earn? Do you have a full-time job? How much do you pay for your healthcare benefits? What kind of benefits do you get? We'll judge if you are worthy, or not  of the compensation you receive.

Let's hear it.

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That's none of your business.

The Carpenters Union has most certainly made their income in comparison to other people everyone else’s business.

However, if I were to get outbid or lost some business due to other reasons for seeking, say, some consulting work, I would not protest in front of the business that did not give me the job.

I’d analyze why I did not get the business, taking into consideration things like my price point, the value of my services provided, my ability and track record through references, how I positioned my services to the potential customer, etc. and I adjust and go after new business elsewhere.

I wouldn’t make it my life's mission to put the company that did not give the job out of business by protesting in front of its business.

I'd go broke and starve if I did so.

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However, if I were to get outbid or lost some business due to other reasons for seeking, say, some consulting work, I would not protest in front of the business that did not give me the job.

Same here.

Given my industry (software engineering) and how people talk to each other, if I ever pulled a stunt like that with a potential client or employer, I'd never work in the industry again.

Why is it okay when the Philadelphia Carpteners Union does it?

 

 

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