MilkBoy's Union Saga, Part 2 - I hope they make a billion dollars

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Job Creating, Risk taking small businessmen, who have to make a profit to meet a payroll, repay loans and pay a return to investors, co-owners Tommy Joyner (left) and Jamie Lokoff are eager to open up their new downtown coffee shop/music venue. Philadelphia's government and the Unions don't make it easy. I hope they make a billion dollars.

It’s a recent afternoon inside the new downtown MilkBoy location, a two-floor space at 11th and Chestnut streets that will be coffee bar by morning, pub by afternoon and music venue by night, and co-owner Tommy Joyner is hustling to get the place in shape to open up next week.

Read more: http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/news-and-opinion/MilkBoy-Coffee-to-Open-on-Chestnut-Street.html#ixzz1TyI7dWOa

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Oh, that reminds me!  I snapped this picture this morning:

 

Sorry for the poor quality, but I was in a hurry and was standing down the street from them.

But as you can see, The Philadelphia Carptener's Union is standing in front of the entrance to Milkboy.  Is blocking the doors of a business even legal?  Keeping in mind of course that this isn't a strike by employees of the store, but rather interference by a third party that has no relationship (business or otherwise) with Milkboy.

 

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So now *somebody* is resorting to arson and trying to burn the new MilkBoy to the ground.

Isn’t that sweet.

Between the government, corporations and unions, it’s a wonder anyone can start a business in this country.

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Interesting.... Back in the early 70's my Dad was building a restaurant north of Philly. These were the days of Leon Altemose and the union riots in Valley Forge. So, the job is going along just fine and one day the building project next door, which was a union job, gets shut down due to ground water. Since the union labor had nothing better to do that day they decided to attack my Dad's job site. I mean they were already rioting in Valley Forge, burning trailers and assaulting non-union labor so why not do the same here. The thugs mounted a full frontal assault, beat the super to a pulp, torched the construction trailer and cause property damege. That was my introduction to the Trades Union of Philadelphia. Well my Dad was a stubborn man, so he packed some heat (for those interested he packed an M1911 .45 caliber built in 1918) and continued building. I was not allowed to walk to school (Rosemont Elem) for a while. 

As a builder I would not even consider doing a commercial project in Philly with out ALL trades being Union. Thats their town, their turf, their rules, hard fought and earned (at least in their opinion). But on the other hand I strongly feel that the Suburbs are OPEN SHOP, open to free trade. So don't come out here and tell us what we can and can not do. The Union Trades, in case you don't know, pressure local banks to hire only Union contractors. They do this through their money and intimidation. What bank wants a Rat in front of their business. 

 

 

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Fascinating story about Altemose. I remember that well. My business has had its unpleasant interactions. Extortion is an accurate word.

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bob, tell us about your interactions.

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no thanks  What would be the point?

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They have been out in force lately, up to 4 people, including an african ameriacan woman, I suppose to counter that they do have minorities onboard (one of the things about the  non-union contractor was that they were minority owned, and it appears difficult for minorities to work in the carpenters union)

 

Once again, Milkboy didn't hire any laborers at all. The general contractor at a building they are renting did.

 

I am a little dissapointed in Tommy with his "well we messed up, we learned our lesson" approach. It will only encourage future thuggery, but I do understand tommy has a business to run as opposed to being the labratory for union issues.

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Union thuggery is low intensity terrorism. Unions are expert in scaring business people. A fire would scare me.

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I am a little dissapointed in Tommy with his "well we messed up, we learned our lesson" approach. It will only encourage future thuggery

I think it actually proves a point about the Philly Carpteners Union. Milkboy apologized, and yet the union continues to punish them for something they didn't even do.  This shows that they aren't the professional laborers they hold themselves up to, but a group of petulant manchildren who will do anything to keep their expensive and outdated revenue model alive.

In fact, let's talk about money for a bit.  According to their 2010 tax returns, the organization known as "The United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners" took in $23,943,057 last year.  Quite a number!  Their "Executive Secretary-Treasurer", Edward "Ed" Coryell (the same guy who refused to answer questions from reporters) was paid $280,249 in salary and received "other compensation in the form of $126,574.  Wow.  I wonder how much the people protesting outside milkboy in the middle of winter were paid?

Well Ed, if you want to wreck other peoples' businesses, you're going to be held accountable.  First step?  I'm publicising your salary:

More photoshops will follow.


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Better be ready to meet "The Union"! Cause they just can't help themslves.

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"Once again, Milkboy didn't hire any laborers at all. The general contractor at a building they are renting did."

Exactly.

Mr. Joyner seems pretty up-front, but he's only kidding himself if he thinks U3 doesn't know the deal when borrowing City money. The Carpenters warned U3. Did U3 warn milkboy? I'm not so sure.

If U3 did tell them what they were in for, was it worth it? Did milkboy save enough up front to offset the 5-15% loss?

 

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Yikes  Total Compensation is $406, 823 !!!!!  $23, 943,057!!!  Ed Coryell is paid more money that the owners of the businesses he demonizes. and the carpenters' union is a bigger business than most of the businesses in Lower Merion.

Ed Coryell is in top 1% of US taxpayers. And job security is assured. Meanwhile carpenters and laborers are out of work because of the policies of the big borrowing politicians, Republican and Democrat, that Coryell/Carpenters Union supports.

Doug, what is source of this and what is the salary and "other compensation" of carpenters' union management? These numbers are astounding in boom times and even more shocking when so many of us are feeling the crunch. These numbers belie the image of "little guy" that unions purvey to the public and it seems more like Goliath than David.

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Doug, what is source of this and what is the salary and "other compensation" of carpenters' union management? These numbers are astounding in boom times and even more shocking when so many of us are feeling the crunch. These numbers belie the image of "little guy" that unions purvey to the public and it seems more like Goliath than David.

1) Go to http://www.guidestar.com/

2) Register for an account, it's free!  Login.

3) Search for "philadelphia carpenters".

4) The matches you'll want are in Zip Code 19130.  Click on one of them.

5) Click on the "Forms 990" tab.  You'll see their tax returns listed by year.

That's the fun thing about non-profits.  Their tax returns are all public documents.  In exchange for getting non-profit status, their finances are essentially made public.

I'm actually surprised that there's surprise over this.  I thought it was pretty well known that union leaders tend to be well paid.

 

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Thanks Doug  Very useful information. Facts are good.

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What would you do if you had Blue Cross and found out Ed Coryell is on their board of directors?

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Seriously consider dumping Blue Cross.

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What would you do if you had Blue Cross and found out Ed Coryell is on their board of directors?

I'd probably think about avoiding Blue Cross.  Maybe.  It would depend on how much involvement he had with the organization and what my options are.  Switching health care in particular is non-trivial, since it tends to be provided by one's employer.

I'm assuming there's a reason you asked that specific question, but I'm afraid it's over my head. Can you elaborate?

 

 

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dmuth, Ed Coryell is on the BC board of directors.

So, how far are you (anyone) willing to carry the milkboy thing? The carpenters are going all the way. Are you (anyone)?

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So, how far are you (anyone) willing to carry the milkboy thing?

When it comes to a business in MY town being ruined for something they didn't do?  I'm not going to sit by and watch it happen.

The carpenters are going all the way. 

They. Wish.


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dmuth, that's cool. I understand. You have your convictions. No problem with that.

(lol, you'd have made a good union carpenter!)

 

 

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Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker Vindicated by Wisconsin Voters

 

Unions lose big in Wisconsin - for the third time -- David Freddoso Washington Examiner August 10, 2011

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/unions-lose-big-wisconsin

Interest groups pour millions into Wis. recalls

http://washingtonexaminer.com/news/2011/08/interest-groups-pour-millions-wis-recalls

Alberta Darling, R-River Hills, celebrating her victory yesterday.

 

 

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Bob thanks for posting about the news in WI but I don't think this has much to do with milkboy saga. Democrats, Republicans, anti-unions,pro-unions , there areave plenty in those camps saying that the carpenters union is simply using intimdation and goon tactics.

 

And Kokomo Joe, what is "going all the way" with a union mean exactly? I'm familiar with the definition of that phrase in "relations" and in guy friendships (The Seinfeld Keith Hernandez Episode) but not sure what it means in this context.

 

I know the union has pickedted some center city restaurants for years and they are still in business.

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I know the union has pickedted some center city restaurants for years and they are still in business.

I must be working in the wrong part of the city, then. I've no idea that they've been picketing other restaurants, too.  Was it over something more "legitimate", such as the restaurant hiring outside help directly, or similar to the Milkboy protests?

Oddly enough, I didn't seem then in Ardmore today. They're usually around on Thursdays.  Maybe they found someone willing to hire them. If so, good for them!

 

 

 

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WCNO, it simply means they're not going to let up.

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WCNO  I think Wisconsin makes your point. the view of government unions are the main driver of high cost of government, and the cause of unaffordable spending and debt, is a cross over issue. Ed Coryell's salary is not the salary of the "little guy" and it is more certain and less subject to vicissitudes of the economy than that of The Forgotten Taxpayer.

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WCNO  I think Wisconsin makes your point. the view of government unions are the main driver of high cost of government, and the cause of unaffordable spending and debt, is a cross over issue. Ed Coryell's salary is not the salary of the "little guy" and it is more certain and less subject to vicissitudes of the economy than that of The Forgotten Taxpayer.

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http://paindependent.com/2011/08/changes-to-mandated-wage-laws-could-mean-savings-for-taxpayers-less-pay-for-workers/

The PaIndependent has a good summary of the impact of prevailing wage on cost of government.

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You've made some good points about the similarities.

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