LACY'S LAW UPGRADING PENNA'S GRADUATED DRIVER'S LICENSE - STATE REP TARAH TOOHIL

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Ten Things You Should know about LACY’S LAW :The new law, signed by Gov. Tom Corbett in October, upgraded Pennsylvania’s Graduated Driver’s License (GDL) law for teens 16 ½ to 18 years old. from State Rep. Tarah Toohil 

One of the scariest days of my life was when my daughter turned 16 and got her driver’s license. Although she was, and is, a responsible driver, her brother is a bit more reckless. This is a good idea and there is nothing more spine chilling than reading about a teenager killed in a car accident. I cannot imagine how a parent feels. I know I would be emotionally devastated.

State Representative Tarah Toohil District 116th Luzerne County which includes Hazleton, Hazle Township and more Read about Tarah Toohil’s amazing electoral upset below footnote 1 below

From Tara Toohil:

1) The new law, signed by Gov. Tom Corbett in October, upgrades Pennsylvania’s Graduated Driver’s License (GDL) law for teens 16 ½ to 18 years old. Click to view video

2) The new law takes effect on Dec. 24.

3) The new law has been dubbed “Lacey’s Law” in memory of 18-year-old Lacey Gallagher of Philadelphia, who was killed in a vehicle crash after her senior prom.

4) National data shows teen drivers have fatal crashes at four times the rate of adult drivers. The greatest chance of crashing occurs in the first six months after licensure. Inexperience and distractions are the two greatest risks when teen drivers are behind the wheel.

5) PennDOT reports fatal crashes that involved teen drivers rose from 20 in 2009 to 57 last year, a 43 percent increase.

6) Lacey’s Law increases behind-the-wheel training for teen drivers with a learner’s permit from 50 hours to 65 hours. Ten of those hours must be at night and five must occur during bad weather.

7) The new law limits the number of teen passengers in a vehicle driven by the holder of a junior driver’s license to one during the first six months. Exceptions apply for family members.

8 ) After the first six months and until the junior driver turns 18, a limit of three non-family passengers is permitted in the vehicle.

9) The new law requires everyone 18 and under in a vehicle driven by a teen driver to be properly buckled up, whether in a seat belt or a child safety or booster seat. It is now a primary offense, which allows an officer to stop a driver if someone isn’t properly secured.

10) Lacey’s Law is not intended to replace parenting. It is designed to help and support parents when they tell their teens they cannot drive around with a carload of friends, there are real consequences. *******

1 In what might very well be the biggest upset in the history of the 116th Legislative District, if not the state, Republican political newcomer Tarah Toohil has won the seat held for seven consecutive terms by Majority House Leader Todd Eachus.

Read more: http://www.timesleader.com/news/Politics/state_senate/Toohil-wins-116th-ousts-House-Majority-leader-Eachus.html#ixzz1ejZdrNGU

31 year old Republican novice, Tarah Toohil, defeated the powerful, Democratic patronage chief and well-funded House Majority Leader 48 year old Todd Eachus who had been in the House since 1997.

In 1996, Eachus defeated his opponent by about 3 to 1.

The incumbent Todd Eachus again faced a challenge when seeking a third term in 2000, but defeated his opponent by securing 66 percent of the vote.

In 2002, Eachus had run unopposed in a bid for a fourth term.

It was not until 2004 that Eachus faced a challenge and he secured a fifth term by defeating his opponent by a 3-to-1 margin.

IN 2006, Eachus secured a sixth term in office by defeating his opponent 10,000 votes in 2006.

In 2008, Todd Eachus had no opposition and was elected to a seventh term and was elected by his colleagues to serve as House majority leader

In 2010, underfunded, novice Tarah Toohil shellacked the incumbent House Majority Leader with 54.9% of the vote against Democratic House Majority Leader’s 45.1 % http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/ElectionsInformation.aspx?FunctionID=13&ElectionID=39&OfficeID=13#111

Read more: http://standardspeaker.com/news/eachus-unaccustomed-to-losing-1.1059198#ixzz1ekEbQ5D5

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In my view this is a good law. However, it's most interesting to see Bob and Gov Corbett embracing Statist, Collectivist, Central Planning, and Interventionist [sic] measures. Methinks the dividing line is not so bright after all. Republicans increase regulations and reduce rights in the name of the Common, Collective Good, because they know what's best for us all. Hmmmmm something tells me we're not going to hear that talking point this time.

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The salient issue in comparing Lower Merion and Narberth is the increase in spending over time and we don't have that data. A no tax increase budget in an election year is very, very thin evidence of fiscal common sense.Has there been an increase in borrowing, which kicks the tax can down the road, but eliminates the need for tax increase this year?

However, let us stipulate that Narberth is fiscally responsible and does not spend in excess of its income. This does not change my point that Democrats Cannot Be Trusted With Money. The Democratic party relentlessly advocates for the expansion of government regardless of ability to pay or the impact of higher taxes, and, in the case of the Federal Reserve, a devaluation, or, to be more precise, a debasement, of the currency.

The Unions, in particular, the Public Sector Unions are drivers are higher and higher costs of government and both Liberals and Unions argue for more and more government services.

The Democratic Party is Statist and Collectivist and the Obama Democratic Administration, in particular, is moving toward a European Welfare State.

This is not to say that the Republican Party does not have its Statists. The “Compassionate Conservatism” of GW Bush and the Bush Liberal Big Government Republicans in Congress, like Rick Santorum, are responsible for huge expansion of government which is why Republican lost in 2006.

Democrats, and Liberal Democrats, Progressives, advocate for Collectivist, Central Planning, and Intervention and, even, Government Control of the Economy through bailouts and policy oriented subsidies. The Democratic Party appeals to and has at its base the Tax Takers. This, I think, cannot be contested.

The Tea Party advocates for limiting the growth and cost of government despite the Democrats uncivil, vicious slanders that we are racist, homophobic, stupid bigots. The underlying concept is that it is individual initiative, innovation, inventiveness, imagination that produces goods and services we want and need and that raise our standard of living. The view is that Constitutional Limited government focuses on the individual and an individual's economic freedom.

Many think there is a Hayekian Ignorance, an academic way of saying that we cannot tell the future and economic collectivist and central planning CANNOT work, for the reason that there is invincible ignorance. The Tea Party represents the Tax Makers, those who work, save and invest in productive businesses that create jobs.

The Democrats represent the Tax Takers, from billionaire corporations and unions to urban Blacks on welfare, who get money, not because they are productive, but because of political power.

I would also ask you to take a look at: Thanksgiving is Due to the Fact that – Up Until Recently – America Preferred Balance to Statism November 24. 2011 Barry Rubin – PJMedia http://pjmedia.com/barryrubin/2011/11/24/thanksgiving-is-due-to-the-fact-that-up-until-recently-america-preferred-balance-to-statism

'The New Tammany Hall':An interview with Fred Siegel, the historian of the American city on what Wall Street and the 'Occupy' movement have in common, and how government unions came to dominate state and local politics. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203716204577016092542307600.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

Lower Merion Democrats have these characteristics. However, in Lower Merion, there is some additional factors that are particularly infuriating. The arrogance of the pseudo-intellectual know it all Majority coupled with, what else can I say, stupidity. A Gateway Fountain that is not bubbling, EXPANDING Ludington which will have more square footage and fewer books even as reading goes digital, $900k to straighten a road while failing to correct potholes and storm water management, the Solyndra-like Ardmore Transit project, the poorly thought out mega rezoning on behalf of undisclosed interests and it goes on.

Lower Merion may represent a special case of the Liberal and Union Big Government philosophy coupled with incompetence and stupidity.

The Leviathan Government, a military model, is not the American Constitutional Limited Government model.

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. . .there is invincible ignorance. The Tea Party represents the Tax Makers, those who work, save and invest in productive businesses that create jobs.

The Democrats represent the Tax Takers, from billionaire corporations and unions to urban Blacks on welfare, who get money, not because they are productive, but because of political power.

Wow. 

Is the above evaluation of the situation an example of "invincible ignorance" (WikipediA "state of persons who pigheadedly refuse to attend to evidence") as well as of simplistic, polarized and polarizing, socially incendiary and simply obnoxious thinking?   

BobG, just curious:   Do you know how much in U.S.  income taxes registered Democrats compared to registered Republicans pay?

 

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Not only is this personally insulting, it is off the threat which was about Lacy's Law and traffic safety. I thought it was a simple posting about teen driving and its hazards.

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I thought it was a simple posting about teen driving and its hazards.

Did you type the post? Perhaps you recall from the time you typed it that it contains a heavy dose of promotion  for Rep Toohil and her electoral triumphs, and uses this as a setting for her introduction of this law. A "simple posting about teen driving hazards" wouldn't normally include that.

Despite the protestations insisting the contrary, this law does not exactly promote individual responsibility. It enforces behavior from the top. Normally you're all over the government when they presume to know what's best for the Collectivist Good, and make laws to enforce it. So I wondered what was up this time.

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I think LMT Observer was responding to your comment posted just before midnight last night. Wasn't that comment meant to be part of this thread?

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Correct. I, mistakenly, got caught up in Lexo's Tar Baby comment that somehow a traffic law aimed at teen driving was "collectivism" or "statism".

I would like get back to original thread and we can start another about Democrats' Statism, Corporate Cronyism, Unionism, its Base of Tax Takers, and policies that stifle economic growth and lower our standard of living; the examples are legion. I would think Trillions in additional stimulus spending and trillions in bailouts and still we are asking- "Where are the Jobs?" would be enough to make the case but, apparently, not.

What makes personal insults necessary, though? And other than citing the less than reliable Wikipedia's incorrect definition of "invincible", LMT Observer does not offer a single fact or argument to refute  my statements.

"invincible ignorance" as I used it relates to the human condition that no one person or group of people or super computers have enough information to plan the future or foresee the the way that policies interact with one another that defeat the intended purposes. The "Invincible Ignorance" of human inability to know all the competing factors that shape the future and shape even our own personal decisions.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/invincible "incapable of being overcome. conquered or subdued."

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Maybe, it's a step in the right direction, but this law has no teeth. What happens when a junior driver gets pulled over and is cited for no seatbelt, or too many kids in the car? He/she gets a ticket, the parents yell for five minutes, lecture for ten, pay the fine, then hand the keys right back to the young driver. How about the young driver loses their license for one year, or gets 10 days in jail breaking rocks with a sledgehammer from sunrise to sunset, while living on bread and water?

The biggest danger on the roads today for young drivers is their own cell phone. Parents are only fooling themselves if they think their kid that has had a cell phone glued to their hand since they were 12, is suddenly going to put that cell phone away and ignore it when they get their driver's license. They are not. You can have all the 'talks' about responsibility you want, but a simple drive down the road will show that somebody's kid is paying no attention to what mom and dad told them and texting away. Yes, maybe, that kid is one of mine. I'm not dumb enough to say "my kid would never do that".

 

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What would you consider reasonable solution to driver malfeasance?

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"What would you consider reasonable solution to driver malfeasance?"

If you are asking me...

If knew how to do it, Bob, I would invent a phone app, or an auto part or software, that would disable or interfere with sms and mms texting while a vehicle were in gear or its wheels were in motion. Perhaps, the app would be tied into the phone's GPS, and downloaded by the account administrator. Most keyes nowadays are programmable and emit radio frequencies to the alarm systems and ECUs. It's way over my head, but I'm sure it could be done.

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Kokomo   This reminds me of the idea a nonpoliitical, and very practical, colleague had about traffic speed control: mandate that car manufacturers install  'governors' in cars that would prevent them from going more than 65 mph. Some businesses have these governors installed to prevent employee speeding. The governors would mechanically control speed at 100% reliability and eliminate need for millions in costs of enforcement. The turnpike could all but eliminate police.

Even further, GPS tracking in cars, like the GPS in commercial trucks, would allow police to accurately monitor speeding from central panel. It would be highly reliable, near mistake free and cost effective.

Yet, there is something vaguely unsettling and I can't put my finger on it. Technology, instead of police, has its attractions and yet....

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From what I hear, future technology of cars will provide a lot more automated accident prevention and avoidance, even to the point of self-driving cars. So time may sort out a lot of this for us.

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This is a very interesting case, because it forces one to consider whether they prefer societal ills to be addressed and prescribed solutions enforced by the government; or whether they are best addressed through family and personal responsibilities.

What I think is hypocritical about this bill is that it tried to have it both ways. Item #10 states:

not intended to replace parenting. It is designed to help and support parents when they tell their teens they cannot drive around with a carload of friends

(My emphasis)

..except that's exactly what it does. The government clearly lays out what the "wrong" and "right" choice is. Because they know what's best for us, no doubt.

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You are correct. a quibble: "Hypocritical" is not the correct word. "Inconsistent" or "Self-contradictory" would be more accurate.

Parents can use the government mandate as an "objective" rule, not arbitrary rule of the parent. but you are right, this law is self-contradictory.

All traffic laws are government mandates, enforced by the police, and, these laws tell us what we have to do and give police power to force us to do it or impose a penalty. This is what government is supposed to do. The Founders of American Constitutional system well aware of human fallibility and corruption and, brilliantly, crafted a plan. However, any plan relies on the virtue of its citizens to remain viable. For some reason, a large part of our population rejects the idea of Limited Government, Federalism, Separation and Balance of Powers between Federal government and states and between states and local municipalities.

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"....and unions to urban Blacks on welfare."   "...slanders that we are racist, homophobic, stupid bigots."  Oy.

 

And oh the hypocrisy! You complain about the labels applied to the Tea Party, and then immediately (and constantly) apply labels to all Democrats.

I could only *imagine* what your original post would have looked like had there been a "D" next to Toohill's name. It would be filled with outrage, a quote or two from the WSJ, a link to redstate, followed by some far reaching (border line silly) connection to Solyndra or what ever Rush/Fox/Beck are ranting about that day.

As to the subject at hand... It’s a limitation on personal choice and freedom, increased bureaucracy, and more government meddling in young people’s lives. The state shouldnt be parenting kids, their PARENTS should.

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Your post is off topic but I will start another thread and you can attack there. Before you do, though, please read The Future of the Obama Coalition NYTimes Thomas Edsell

http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/the-future-of-the-obama-coalition which makes my point. Obama 2012 is, intentionally, abandoning efforts to reach the white working class. This is a Liberal discussing the real world electoral strategy of Obama 2012.

 

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Ah. I understand now. Replying to statements you made (on your own post) and addressing the subject at hand is considered "off topic". Thanks for that clarification. Jawdropping!

 

And thanks for that relevant link about the Obama Campaign Abandoning the "White Working Class". This makes total, absolute sense. Puzzled

 

Yikes.

 

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Yes, I made a mistake in being caught in Lexo's Tar Baby. I did respond to directing your attention to the NYTimes article which supports my contention. The Black vote across Pennsylvania is, reliably, 90% and Barack Obama not only got higher percentage, about 93 to 95%, but stimulated a huge turnout. There are few who would argue that Blacks are a key constituency of the Democrats and Barack Obama, in particular.

Of the Blacks supporting Democrats and Obama, a high percentage are getting taxpayer money through the government either with government jobs or welfare. And they know, as do their Corporate Cronies and taxpayer financed academics that if Fiscal Common Sense Republicans are elected that the free money without working or working very hard will be reduced and then what will they do, never having learned a productive skill, that is a skill in producing goods or providing a services others are willing, voluntarily, without government coerceion, to buy with their own money.

Democrats Economic self interest is very tied to Democrat's political self interest in growing government and forcing taxpayers to pay. If you don't think I am right, read NYTimes for some insights.

 

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Can you point me in the direction where you rant about White people collecting welfare.....? Go ahead. I'll wait.....

I mean, how dare those black people turn out and vote for a candidate who has their best interests in mind! And I'd really like to know how you got into all these black folks heads and figured out exactly why they were voting this way. Must have been only for those sweet, sweet handouts, right?

 

 

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White people on welfare, including Corporatist Cronies like Jeffrey Immelt,  will vote for Obama. That's my point. It is to the economic self-interest of people getting taxpayer financed welfare to vote for Obama.

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Ohhhh, because previously you said the majority of black people are on welfare, and they would all vote for Obama (for the sole purpose of extending welfare benefits). NOW, its white people on welfare as well. So what you really meant to say was all welfare recipients. But you just must have accidentally singled out Black welfare recipients, good thing we cleared that up!

And care to answer the second question, or shall we just assume you are a mind reader?

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Urban Blacks, particularly those on Welfare, are a targeted demographic for Democrats and for Obama 2012. I don't think anyone denies that Blacks are a core constituency of Democratic Party and the Obama campaign. Do you?

Additionally, those getting government money from various sources, Tax Takers, are another demographic.

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Democrats Economic self interest is very tied to Democrat's political self interest in growing government and forcing taxpayers to pay. If you don't think I am right, read NYTimes for some insights.

So why is the Wall Street lobbying money going to Republicans?  Oh wait, that doesn't fit in with Our Worldview either, so let's ignore it.

 

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Wall Street money has gone to Obama in 2008 and Obama is heavily financed by Wall Street as is Democratic NY Senator Schumer.

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And now in 2011-12 it's going to Republicans. Explain?

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There has been some shift but most going to Obama. Wall Street is Democrat. Mortimer Zuckerman multi billionaire is Democrat as his Martin Peretz.

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"Lexo's Tar Baby" is the salient issue. And Jethro nailed it earlier on. If rep Toohil had a "D" after her name we'd see a totally different take and analysis of her actions.

But rep Toohil must not be promoting Statism and coercive government policies for the Common Collective Good because the government Knows What's Best for Everyone, right, because that's not what R's do! Such a thing cannot possibly exist, so let's look the other way and hum loudly whenever we see any examples that might shatter our tiny world views.

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