Really Ardmore? You don't want an upscale craft beer market? In the same block as the liquor store?

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Here's a link to one story:  http://www.philly.com/philly/neighbors/main_line/Setting-up-a-speciality-Beer-Shoppe.html

The only objection voiced was that people could buy beer and take it to the local park.  Since there are already half a dozen places in the area that sell beer for take out, the objection made no sense.

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Sounds like a great new business for LM and beer connoisseurs. Plus, if you are having a nice party, you can stock up on upscale beer and some good liquor from the LCB store in one stop. It will benefit both.

I was just in a place like this on 2nd Street in Old City and it had an amazing selection of beers from across the world (that were no cheap), it was packed with customers on a Monday night, and I wondered why there was no place like this on the Main Line.

Beer connoisseurs will drive miles to go to a place like this and ideally give Ardmore/LM other business at other stores.

It’s already against the law to drink alcohol in township parks. Lindner is way off base on that concern. People could bring inexpensive beer to that park from home to watch summer league basketball games or for softball leagues if they wanted to and they don’t.

Give the citizens of Lower Merion a little more credit, Steve.

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Thanks that is the link I meant to post. As for me, I'm not planning to take my beer to the park to drink...more likely I'd take it to drink at a nice BYOB restaurant.  With the new brewpub slated to open in Ardmore, we could see Ardmore become something of a beer lover's destination.  Wouldn't that be good for business, and Ardmore generally? 

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So this is ironic. In a recent article on Main Line Media News, "Lower Merion mulling alchohol policy for township properties" it is reported that Kate Galen, of the Friends of Linwood Park, is in favor of allowing alchohol at the park for selected events. Maybe Kate and Steve should talk! 

http://mainlinemedianews.com/articles/2012/02/08/main_line_times/news/doc4f3010e0943bc932205552.txt?viewmode=2

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I don't really have a problem with this as long as the cost of the regulatory burden to issue permits and monitor events is not passed on to taxpayers, but rather included in a permit fee (and that includes any need for additional police coverage for large events that goes beyond what regular patrols can do) and the permit issuing process is fair and uniform.

Thus, if a library or civic association non-profit can do it, so should non-profits that support any cause be able to do so. Some may argue this would open a whole can of worms on not-so "politically correct" non-profits having such events - or battles between those that are politically desirable against those who are not so popular in LM and seek such permits. What if a non-profit with a name like "Drinking Liberally" (in that it supported liberal causes) got a permit, but a non-profit named "Religious Right for the Killing Fields of Wars while being Pro-Life" did not. Now, no loss of irony for the name of that second non-profit which is basically Santorum, but they should certainly have equal rights. Would it be fair to exclude the warmongering, pro-lifers? Nope. This would have to be open to all.

Beyond "good" and "bad" non-profits (which is not really an issue for me given my strong support of free speech - and even if I disagree with what others say, I still support their rights to protect mine) the issues I see are that a township permitted event in a public park where drinking occurs may cause those who pass by to think it is OK to drink in public parks, they then may have a picnic with a friend and a glass of wine the next day and get a big fine.

That’s where uniformity becomes an issue. I otherwise don’t see citizens who understand the policy using it as an excuse to drink in parks where they understand the law.

My other concern, which should not be a problem with well-planned and monitored events, is noise in parks disturbing neighbors for such events. Even during reasonable hours, will this now become a popular thing to do and will parks have fundraisers with alcohol where while I don’t expect really rowdy crowds, people could be talking louder with more events and perhaps bothering neighbors?

So while I have no real problem with this, I also don’t live next door to a park, where I might well have a different perspective if I did.

Perhaps the commissioners need to re-address this with a better thought process than I read from them in the MLMN article so regardless of the outcome, this is properly considered from all angles.

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Does the township have any rule against public intoxication, and if so how would that square with actually sanctioning and permitting the serving alcohol in open public spaces?

And it should be made clear who holds the liability for the possibility of overserving someone, the same way that bars do, and the myriad negative consequences that may result.

If it were up to me I would lift all the prohibition of alcohol on public parks and facilities, and rely on people to take their own responsibility for not littering or being a public nuisance. It really should be OK to have a glass of wine at a picnic in a park.

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If it were up to me I would lift all the prohibition of alcohol on public parks and facilities, and rely on people to take their own responsibility for not littering or being a public nuisance. It really should be OK to have a glass of wine at a picnic in a park.

Couldn't agree more with that. I was making my points on the reality of the situation, which is that would never happen.

What the proposed ordinance will do is create a special class where those who are wealthy and can afford to donate to non-profits will be able to drink at special functions in public parks, while everyday citizens at the park will have to sit by observing as second-class citizens who can't drink.

I had not thought of it from that angle, which gives me a new perspective.

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Only reason I didn't frontpage this was because there was no content in the post itself.

Just an FYI to everyone in this thread: I generally only frontpage things that have at least a paragraph of commentary or a video or some other substantial content.

That is purely a subjective decision on my part, because I want the front page to have more of a "news" look, and less of a "Reddit" look. (not that I have any issues with the latter, I'm a regular reader there in fact!)

 

 

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Doug- I've been experiencing problems with posting on the blog. I did not intend a blank post- the content just didn't post when I pressed the button. Any idea why I'm having these problems?

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No idea. Unfortunately what I need is the ability to reproduce those problems so that I can watch what is happening, and figure out a fix from there.

 

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