Statement from Students Doe regarding SCOTUS Denial

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"Students Doe are of course disappointed that the Supreme Court did not grant their petition for review. However, they are very proud of what they have accomplished by bringing this action. They have brought to light the fact that the Lower Merion School Board's redistricting process was driven largely by racial considerations, and that this happened in private, behind closed doors, all while the District was denying that it was going on. They have brought to light the fact that the District has manipulated its own policies on things like school walk zones in a way that disadvantages some of the citizens while bestowing advantages on others. If nothing else, Students Doe and their families are hopeful that these proceedings will cause the District to be more open, transparent, and honest going forward, and that the District will act in the collective best interest of all its students irrespective of their race. The families, and the community that supports them, will now direct their efforts in other ways to realize this goal. They thank everyone in the community who has bravely stood by them throughout this process, and encourage everyone to stay involved and committed to seeking justice for all children."

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The Majority of the Lower Merion electorate consistently supports the Democratic School Board and opposes School Choice for the poorest kids in the worst schools. I think that tells us something abou the Majority Democratic Voter.

 


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Bob,

If you want to revisit school choice, so be it, but please do so on some other thread.

That discussion is not germane to Students Doe vs. LMSD.

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Wouldn't the opportunity of going to a school of a parent's choice ameliorate this situation. Not everyone learns well in in industrial sized, 1920's factory schools. Mega schools are not suited to everyone's learning differences. Giving parents the resources, through Education Improvement Tax Credits, or Vouchers, would allow them to finance a school closer to home and better suited to needs of their kids.They can still choose to be bused to government K-12 schools. Or not....see Daylin Leach, Democratic State Senator from Lower Merion.

This situation arose because the government has a de facto monopoly on K-12 education in Lower Merion and because most parents are forced to use the government K-12 schools. If people are competent enough to vote, they are, certainly, competent enough to spend their own money and competent enough to choose the best school for their own kid.

Of course, Democrats don't necessarily practice what they preach. Senator Daylin Leach, government schools are not for his kids, are they?

 

     Family Picture from Vote Daylin web site used to promote his political candidacy

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Think about what you're saying before you type. You're saying Daylin Leach uses special vouchers to pay for kis kids education? I seriously doubt that.

 

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Daylin Leach uses his own money to send his kids to Shipley, the school he thinks is the best choice for his kids.That is what good parents do.

That choice, and the resources to effect that choice, are the Pennsylvania Constitutional Right of every parent and every child, not just hypocritical phonies like Daylin Leach who relentless and vociferously oppose choice.

Pennsylvania spends $26 billion on government schools. Directing a small percentage to go to choice for the poorest kids on worst schools, a policy which Daylin Leach, a private school parent, and his PSEA financiers, vehemently and relentlessly, oppose, would go along way, in my opinion, in improving education in Pennsylvania. Eventually that choice would be expanded. At all times, parents would have a choice to send their kids to unionized government bureaucratic monopoly schools if the parent thought it best.

 

What's good for Daylin is good for the ghetto mom, don't you think? 

 

Or, here's a choice a Harrisburg mom made  that Daylin Leach and his wife don't have to make

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That's all well and good, as long as the public money subsidies you are proposing only go to private schools which are open-enrollment (schools which accept all applicants), provide equally for special needs children (as required under state law), and can be demonstrated not to favor the children or families of school donors.

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I clicked on your "ghetto mom" link. I wonder if you bothered to read the story at the end of your own link, because it doesn't support what you're advocating. This is the story of a mom who wanted to pay taxes in one school district while sending her child to another school district. This example does not at all support the case for vouchers.  But it does support a case for a unified state-wide school district, where any one can attend any school in the state, free and open enrollment, for any reason. If that's what you'd like to advocate for please make that clear.

What I'd really like to see is the story of a mom who tries to send her child to Shipley without paying, and then we'd see who's really denying education.

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You are drawing the wrong conclusion. The mother had to use subterfuge to get a better education because she did not have an alternative.

 

Daylin Leach and the parents of Lower Merion would never allow Philadlephia parents to send their kids to Lower Merion government schools. We have separate and unequal schools in one monopoly school system. The government of the people, by the people and for the people finance this apartheid system. Why? Because PSEA financed politicians and Democratic electorate, which postures for equal rights, vote for it.

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We have separate and unequal schools in one monopoly school system. The government of the people, by the people and for the people finance this apartheid system. Why? 

Why?  Because we have traditionally financed our public schools using real estate taxes so that wealthy school districts can spend a lot more than poor urban and rural ones.  The disparity between what Lower Merion School District can spend and does spend per student and the financial capacity of the  Chester-Upland and Philadelphia school  districts is definitely one of the great scandals of the present.  It is not difficult to figure out why:  an historically racist system with a fair amount of contempt for the poor thrown in for good measure.   The teacher's union canard is a just a diversion.  What is with people who think that those who provide basic services to everyone, such as teachers, police officers, janitors, fire fighters, nurses, elder care workers and the like, are overpaid and should be paid less than a living wage?   

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and the solution to the inequality would be that Lower Merion taxpayers fund Chester Upland and Phialdelphia school districts?

Monopolies created and protected by government force do not, generally, give the best results. What is the incentive to improve when the government protects the monopoly?

 

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Yes, it would help if school districts were financed by state income taxes.  (No civilized country would tolerate warehousing its children in the conditions to which they are subjected in Chester.)  

  In fact, it would help a lot if local school districts were abolished and educational access and opportunity were uniform throughout.  The centralized educational system Napoleon established in France is far more efficient and effective than our Balkanized system.  The charter school movement, despite its theoretical attractiveness, is not much of an answer, being mostly a treasure trove for scam artists, like the private technical schools that rip off the government and their students.

This leads me to wonder what the population of Lower Merion, which has noticeably declined over the last twenty years, would be if it were not for the reputation of its school district, which makes people with young children want to move in for the free equivalent to a private school education.  Then when the nest empties out they move into the City where the schools are mostly horrible but where there is cultural life LM doesn't offer. 

If we had an equalized system of state financed education so that where you happened to live did not determine the quality of education you could offer your children, I expect LM would have suffered a much bigger decline in population.   If Brian O'Neill actually builds his 580 apartments in the flood plain (they are going to be marketed to "divorced dads") you can expect to see a big influx of newcomers to the elementary schools.

 

 

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You are expecting the government to solve a problem the government created. Not likely to happen.The system is the way it is for a reason and that reason are the unions and the government bureaucrats profiting from the status quo at expense of taxpayers and K-12 education.

Would not Vouchers and a even more expanded Education Improvement Tax Credit offer parents and kids viable alternatives?

If Lower Merion schools are equivalent to private (nongovernment) school education, why do Daylin Leach and his wife, and parents like them,  send their kids to a private(nongovernment) school instead the  government equivalent. In fact, I think a third of the kids in Lower Merion go to nongovernment schools. Why do parents of Lower Merion choose the more expensive alternative to equivalent government school in Lower Merion?

Statistically, many of the further out suburbs are providing better government education at lower cost than Lower Merion. Radnor, Tredyffrin-Easton, Unionville and many others.

 

 

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"What I'd really like to see is the story of a mom who tries to send her child to Shipley without paying, and then we'd see who's really denying education."

 

Dream on....

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Dream on....

...meaning what? Shipley school accepts all students who show up, regardless of whether they're paying customers or not? Would Bob G's "Ghetto mom" be able to send her child there regardless of who her child is and whether they're paying?

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How does Daylin Leach afford The Shipley School on Legislator's Salary? Shipley runs about $20k a year.

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His wife makes a good living? Help from parents/inheritance? Loans/financial aide?

I'm certainly not a fan of Daylin's at all - especially after he attacked my relationship with my mother in an email to me in a despicable and extremely insulting manner.

The question to me is not so much about where the money comes from, but whether a public servant should be utilizing private schools when most of his constituents can't afford it while it sets a bad example for Leach's stated positions in support of public schools - a discussion on this thread I have chosen to stay out of because I have yet to personally see any good solutions, though I certainly support public schools.

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As a Ron Paul - Mises  supporter, I would think you would support School Choice as part of the Free Market Solutinn bringing choice and competition to challenge the Leviathan Government Monopoly of K-12 education which is not only vastly expensive burdening the middle class taxpayer and small businesses with debt and taxes but is also violent.

 

We have an aparthied system which PSEA financed Daylin Leach, the teachers' unions, and the government bureaucrats perpetuate for thier own gain. Who hears the cry of a child.

 

Daylin is a nasty guy and why would he attack you and your relationship with your mother. that is way way out of bounds.

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Lexotime, Shipley is my alma mater. They do have a fair amount of scholarship money for whatever that knowledge is worth. And another fun fact is Daylin does not live in Lower Merion. And who cares if he sends his kids to private school or not anyway? If he and his wife have the money and the kids are smart enough, he has just as much right as anyone else to choose the type of education he wishes for his students.

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Shipley is a fine school, I know many who have attended there. But they're not a charity, and they don't as far as I know let everyone who shows up on their doorstep on day 1 just attend there free of charge. The public schools are legally obligated to take everyone - everyone - in their district who shows up for school on day 1, rgardless of their abilities, challenges, or ability to pay.Shipley and other private schools have the not-small luxury of being able to turn away applicants becuase they are found to be unsuitable, or becuase the applicant does not intend to pay.

If public money in the form of vouchers is going to be going to private schools, then the private schools ought to take on the obligations of public schools as well. I just can't picture that happening.

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